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[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Please stop. The theory that a player should shoot three pointers at a higher % when on the court with great player is rubbish. Open is open. What % of three point shots taken are contested shots? The vast majority are open looks regardless of teams or players. We arent talking about drawing a defense away for layups. There is no doubt that a guy going to the basket can create open lanes and easy shots. But the three point line doesnt move and isnt an easier shot regardless of arena or teammates.

LOL. you said nothing to disprove the point. All you did was reiterate your baseless rubbish.

Here is a quote from SI from Michael Jordan himself in regards to the Jordan rules:

"Sometimes I wish I could be my teammates looking at that defense," says Jordan. "It must be nice. But it isn't nice for me."

Jordan took the attention of the defense. If they double, someone is open. You said earlier in the thread teams don't double on the perimeter in the NBA. What gives? Are you going back on that now?

If a team has to double one man, a player is going to be more open than if that defense didnt have to double. Im sorry you dont/cant grasp this basic fact.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL. you said nothing to disprove the point. All you did was reiterate your baseless rubbish.

Here is a quote from SI from Michael Jordan himself in regards to the Jordan rules:

"Sometimes I wish I could be my teammates looking at that defense," says Jordan. "It must be nice. But it isn't nice for me."

Jordan took the attention of the defense. If they double, someone is open. You said earlier in the thread teams don't double on the perimeter in the NBA. What gives? Are you going back on that now?

If a team has to double one man, a player is going to be more open than if that defense didnt have to double. Im sorry you dont/cant grasp this basic fact.

That was 20 years ago. Things and rules change. How often were Wade and LeBron and Kobe and Carmello doubled during the playoffs? When a guy drives to the basket and help comes, that does not count as a double. As I stated before, three points shots are the same regardless of where they are taken and who they are taken by. They arent easier or harder because of other players. They are 23' 9" regardless.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That was 20 years ago. Things and rules change. How often were Wade and LeBron and Kobe and Carmello doubled during the playoffs? When a guy drives to the basket and help comes, that does not count as a double. As I stated before, three points shots are the same regardless of where they are taken and who they are taken by. They arent easier or harder because of other players. They are 23' 9" regardless.

What a weak cop out. Regardless if it was 20 years ago or not, ONE player and the attention he receieved created open shots for his teammates. It is an irrefutible fact.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

What a weak cop out. Regardless if it was 20 years ago or not, ONE player and the attention he receieved created open shots for his teammates. It is an irrefutible fact.

Are you kidding? This is what you are hanging your hat on? We are talking about THREE POINT SHOTS!!!! The Three point line is the same distance away from the basket regardless of WHO throws you the ball. Why is THAT so hard to grasp? There is no logic that says that a 24 foot shot is any easier if you are "more" open. It is still a 24 foot shot. If i am doubled teamed and pass to a cutting teammate for a layup, that is one thing. But if I pass to a guy behind the three point line the shot is equally as challenging as if the guy simply creates his own three point shot or has a pick run for him to get a three point shot.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? This is what you are hanging your hat on? We are talking about THREE POINT SHOTS!!!! The Three point line is the same distance away from the basket regardless of WHO throws you the ball. Why is THAT so hard to grasp? There is no logic that says that a 24 foot shot is any easier if you are "more" open. It is still a 24 foot shot. If i am doubled teamed and pass to a cutting teammate for a layup, that is one thing. But if I pass to a guy behind the three point line the shot is equally as challenging as if the guy simply creates his own three point shot or has a pick run for him to get a three point shot.

There is a HUGE difference between an uncontested three and one with a hand in your face.

Put the cheeseburger down and try it some time.

If you can't grasp that, you should stick to watching baseball.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

There is a HUGE difference between an uncontested three and one with a hand in your face.

Put the cheeseburger down and try it some time.

If you can't grasp that, you should stick to watching baseball.

So if you dont have a Kobe or LeBron on your team you have to take contested threes? FYI I'm sure that my personal basketball experience far outweighs yours if you would like to go there.

If you would like we could have a three point shootout this summer? Of course as many cheeseburgers as I eat I would only play for money. I can easily swing by Washington on my way to Saratoga and pay for my trip.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So if you dont have a Kobe or LeBron on your team you have to take contested threes? FYI I'm sure that my personal basketball experience far outweighs yours if you would like to go there.

If you would like we could have a three point shootout this summer? Of course as many cheeseburgers as I eat I would only play for money. I can easily swing by Washington on my way to Saratoga and pay for my trip.

LOL. Im just giving you crap chuck.

To answer the first question, no, you dont need kobe or lebron on your team to shoot uncontested threes. The point is that guys like that are going to create so much attention that three point shooters are going to get more unconteted looks.

[dalakhani]

Jason Kidd on the subject:

"I could sit and watch from the bench," Kidd said. "[LeBron] is so talented, he's going to get guys wide-open shots. So we'll look at free agency and what happens for me next year."

I guess Jason Kidd doesnt know what he is talking about either.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Jason Kidd on the subject:

"I could sit and watch from the bench," Kidd said. "[LeBron] is so talented, he's going to get guys wide-open shots. So we'll look at free agency and what happens for me next year."

I guess Jason Kidd doesnt know what he is talking about either.

Wide open shots aren't necessarily three point shots. There are very few players in the league that can take contested threes without being planted on the bench. Most three point attempts are open shots.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? This is what you are hanging your hat on? We are talking about THREE POINT SHOTS!!!! The Three point line is the same distance away from the basket regardless of WHO throws you the ball. Why is THAT so hard to grasp? There is no logic that says that a 24 foot shot is any easier if you are "more" open. It is still a 24 foot shot. If i am doubled teamed and pass to a cutting teammate for a layup, that is one thing. But if I pass to a guy behind the three point line the shot is equally as challenging as if the guy simply creates his own three point shot or has a pick run for him to get a three point shot.

I honestly can't believe I am reading that.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I honestly can't believe I am reading that.

That makes two of us. How can anyone argue that a shot with nobody around you is no easier than one with a guy in your face or running at you with a hand in your face?

[horseofcourse]

These are getting funny. I shouldn't speak for Cannon, but I think what he is saying is if you are open by 3 feet or open by 12 feet it is the same thing...you are still open. BAsically, if you're in rhythm, without blanket coverage and a hand 0.25 inches from your eyeballs, you're open.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That makes two of us. How can anyone argue that a shot with nobody around you is no easier than one with a guy in your face or running at you with a hand in your face?

You are making the assumption that guys playing without a star are taking contested three pointers. Why? Do only the teammates of superstars get open looks? That is really ridiculous. The whole premise that you guys are using is that a team with a great player will get guys easier shots. However since the three point line does not move the shots are equally hard. BECAUSE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THREE POINT ATTEMPTS ARE OPEN SHOTS REGARDLESS OF THE TEAMS ON THE FLOOR!!! Seriously how many players that arent stars have the leeway to shoot contested 25 foot shots?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If a team has to double one man, a player is going to be more open than if that defense didnt have to double. Im sorry you dont/cant grasp this basic fact.

More open? That takes the cake. So the defensive pressure is 10 feet away instead of 7?