Cap and Trade vote on Friday

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not a 'majority rules' argument??? i wonder if more would step forward if they didn't fear a backlash. galileo was right, but denied his own correct findings to avoid being burned at the stake.

There are none to step forward..I bet that half the ones that did don't even believe what they are saying but are just doing it hoping for the PR. Arguing the dollars allocated for GW, allocated for windmills, etc is wrong is one thing,...arguing that it doesn't exist is like saying the Earth is flat...or maybe Columbus is still wrong...

There are people who like to stir the pot
because they want you to believe they are challenging
the status quo by innovative thought. And it is anything
but innovative, it is a purposeful attempt to go against
popular thought for the sake of the attempt, not because
they have crucial insight.


There are evolutionary biologists that refute
that populations of organisms change through time.

Originally Posted by joeydb
In addition,
1. whether you believe in "Global Warming" or not,

The Earth's average temperature has clearly increased over at least the past 50 years.

2. we in the Northeast are having one of the
coolest starts to summer in recent memoryand last year was one where there was not one 100 degree day.

We are having horrible droughts in Texas and it is much hotter and its only June.

You do not look at one place on the earth and make a declaration about the entire Earth, most of which is covered by water. My example is as silly as yours.

3. Any of you guys ever see something that is heated and spontaneously cools on its own, just to reheat again at record levels?

yes. When I turn my oven on it heats (electrical energy turned to heat energy). When I turn it off, it "spontaneously" loses heat to the surroundings in my house because the surroundings are at a lower temperature. There is a chance that my oven will get even hotter (after I turn it off)and that every atom with high kinetic energy (high temp) will gather in one spot within the oven. But it is incredibly improbable.

And what you are trying to say in the last part... I have not a clue. I will just add that the earth has clearly gone through hot and cold periods without God or man directing it to do so. What are you saying?

4. No, because such things don't happen in the physical universe -- the phenomenon does not exist.

WHAtttt?

What phenomenon does not exist?

[Danzig]

The collapse of the "consensus" has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth's temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02.


that's a line from the wsj article cannon posted...

Originally Posted by Danzig

The collapse of the "consensus" has been driven by reality. The inconvenient truth is that the earth's temperatures have flat-lined since 2001, despite growing concentrations of C02.


that's a line from the wsj article cannon posted...

That inconvenient truth is what is happening in one particular layer
of the earth's atmosphere. So it is accurate. But other layers lead
to a diff. picture. And for at least the last 50 years the earth's average
atmospheric temperature has gone up.

The author should stick to the argument that the cap and trade
does nothing to effect climate change. Picking a time period showing
relative stability in one layer is disingenious imo, especially when particulate
pollutants (which have increased) in that layer might play a major role in the convenient time period chosen.

[SOREHOOF]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml Here's the lowdown.

[SOREHOOF]

Here's the meat and potatos...http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/.../~c1112sWraR::.. Do you think any of our well paid Representatives bothered to read any of this? They had a whole day to do so.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

That inconvenient truth is what is happening in one particular layer
of the earth's atmosphere. So it is accurate. But other layers lead
to a diff. picture. And for at least the last 50 years the earth's average
atmospheric temperature has gone up.

The author should stick to the argument that the cap and trade
does nothing to effect climate change. Picking a time period showing
relative stability in one layer is disingenious imo, especially when particulate
pollutants (which have increased) in that layer might play a major role in the convenient time period chosen.

Actually this is wrong.

In the 1970s concerned environmentalists like Stephen Schneider of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado feared a return to another ice age due to manmade atmospheric pollution blocking out the sun.

Since about 1940 the global climate did in fact appear to be cooling. Then a funny thing happened-- sometime in the late 1970s temperature declines slowed to a halt and ground-based recording stations during the 1980s and 1990s began reading small but steady increases in near-surface temperatures. Fears of "global cooling" then changed suddenly to "global warming"


http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually this is wrong.

In the 1970s concerned environmentalists like Stephen Schneider of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado feared a return to another ice age due to manmade atmospheric pollution blocking out the sun.

Since about 1940 the global climate did in fact appear to be cooling. Then a funny thing happened-- sometime in the late 1970s temperature declines slowed to a halt and ground-based recording stations during the 1980s and 1990s began reading small but steady increases in near-surface temperatures. Fears of "global cooling" then changed suddenly to "global warming"


http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

Yes, yes, yes.

I can find so many more the other way.
Its silly to keep up the charade.

THE CONSENSUS is clearly over at least the last 50 years the average temp. of the Earth's atmosphere has increased.