shaq to the Cavs

SniperSB23 · #1 06-25-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by geeker2

It would be more beneficial if he joined the Cleveland Police Force - Shaq is over-the-hill.

His first duty could be investigating the disappearance of Morty...

He's a spring chicken compared to Ben Wallace and Zydrunas Ilgauskas. I don't think this puts them over the top but it puts them a lot closer. I think they still need another jump shooter, Mo Williams is their only guy that shoots over 40% which is pretty bad with the number of open looks they should get with Lebron getting double teamed.

Cannon Shell · #2 06-25-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He's a spring chicken compared to Ben Wallace and Zydrunas Ilgauskas. I don't think this puts them over the top but it puts them a lot closer. I think they still need another jump shooter, Mo Williams is their only guy that shoots over 40% which is pretty bad with the number of open looks they should get with Lebron getting double teamed.

West shot 45% and 40% on threes. They need a long defender more than anything else now that they have a low post presence. They could use a big combo guard but so could just about everyone else. I believe that Cleveland wont overuse Shaq in the regular season similarly to what Phoenix did last year. They got him without giving up much, just a one season salary increase. Pavlovic may well resign with them anyway since Phoenix is likely to cut him.

SniperSB23 · #3 06-25-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

West shot 45% and 40% on threes. They need a long defender more than anything else now that they have a low post presence. They could use a big combo guard but so could just about everyone else. I believe that Cleveland wont overuse Shaq in the regular season similarly to what Phoenix did last year. They got him without giving up much, just a one season salary increase. Pavlovic may well resign with them anyway since Phoenix is likely to cut him.

I was talking about 40% on 3 pointers. West is not a great 3 point shooter. With the open looks he gets from the presence of Lebron a really good jump shooter should be much higher than 39.9% in the regular season and 33.3% in the postseason. They could use a long defender but I think they can survive with Varejao now that they have Shaq. When they needed Varejao to play the five is when they were in big trouble. I think adding another jump shooter is their biggest need right now. Pavlovic coming back would certainly lessen that need but getting someone better than him would be a big boost.

dalakhani · #4 06-25-2009, 01:04 PM

Are we back to perseverating over the merits of Delonte West?

Please...make it stop.

Cannon Shell · #5 06-25-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Are we back to perseverating over the merits of Delonte West?

Please...make it stop.

Saying West is not a great three point shooter when he is shooting 40% from there is pretty ridiculous. Saying that because of Lebron they should shoot a better % is more than a stretch.

horseofcourse · #6 06-25-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Are we back to perseverating over the merits of Delonte West?

Please...make it stop.

What's your problem with him?? He had a good year last year. He's not a superstar, but good God who is?? He's a good perimeter defender...the best on their team and he gives them at least a threat offensively. For me, compared to Larry Hughes, he seems like a superstar comparitively. West was not the problem in post season this year. The problem in the Orlando series as I explained time and time and time and time again to you was Mo Williams. He didn't show up til game 5 and it was too late by then.

Cannon Shell · #7 06-25-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was talking about 40% on 3 pointers. West is not a great 3 point shooter. With the open looks he gets from the presence of Lebron a really good jump shooter should be much higher than 39.9% in the regular season and 33.3% in the postseason. They could use a long defender but I think they can survive with Varejao now that they have Shaq. When they needed Varejao to play the five is when they were in big trouble. I think adding another jump shooter is their biggest need right now. Pavlovic coming back would certainly lessen that need but getting someone better than him would be a big boost.

The guy shoots 40% on threes in the regular season. It should be higher than that? Who are all these other guys that are shooting "contested" three pointers without Lebron? West shot a better % than JR Smith, Rashard Lewis, Paul Pierce, etc. Varejao has shown that he is not a perimeter defender pretty conclusively during the playoffs.

SniperSB23 · #8 06-25-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The guy shoots 40% on threes in the regular season. It should be higher than that? Who are all these other guys that are shooting "contested" three pointers without Lebron? West shot a better % than JR Smith, Rashard Lewis, Paul Pierce, etc. Varejao has shown that he is not a perimeter defender pretty conclusively during the playoffs.

I think we can all agree that Steve Kerr is a great shooter. Without Jordan he was a 42.2% shooter from 3. With Jordan he was a 47.9% shooter from 3. Why? Cause Jordan attracted attention and gave him more open looks. Mo Wiliams was a 35.9% three point shooter before he went to Cleveland. He shot 43.6% this year. Why? Cause Lebron attracted attention and gave him more open looks. The fact that West shot 39.9% this year with Lebron means with other teams he would likely be a 35-36% 3 point shooter.

Cannon Shell · #9 06-25-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think we can all agree that Steve Kerr is a great shooter. Without Jordan he was a 42.2% shooter from 3. With Jordan he was a 47.9% shooter from 3. Why? Cause Jordan attracted attention and gave him more open looks. Mo Wiliams was a 35.9% three point shooter before he went to Cleveland. He shot 43.6% this year. Why? Cause Lebron attracted attention and gave him more open looks. The fact that West shot 39.9% this year with Lebron means with other teams he would likely be a 35-36% 3 point shooter.

That is just simply not pertinent. Who doubles perimeter players in the NBA?

horseofcourse · #10 06-25-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was talking about 40% on 3 pointers. West is not a great 3 point shooter. With the open looks he gets from the presence of Lebron a really good jump shooter should be much higher than 39.9% in the regular season and 33.3% in the postseason. They could use a long defender but I think they can survive with Varejao now that they have Shaq. When they needed Varejao to play the five is when they were in big trouble. I think adding another jump shooter is their biggest need right now. Pavlovic coming back would certainly lessen that need but getting someone better than him would be a big boost.

The Cavs were one of the top 3 point percentage teams in the league last year. Top 3. They shot a better percentage on the year than Orlando. Williams fell apart in the playoffs until the last two Orlando games...by that time the cat was out of the bag. A 40 percent 3 point shooter is OUTSTANDING. That is not their weakness. I can't see Pavlovic coming back. He is not a favorite with the coaching staff. He was not in their rotation at the end of the season. The only time he got big minutes last year was when West broke his wrist. Good trade...they got Shaq for nothing. Wallace can't play at all anymore and Pavlovic is pretty much a non-entity. If it doesn't put them over the top...they were never over the top anyway.