NBA Draft 2009

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yes, all of those things you say about Parker are true except they did know what they had right away. They knew they didnt have to trade up to draft him because 2001 was before drafting euros was really in vogue and in fact he was the third french guy drafted...ever. Pop stuck with him because he knew that he had great talent.

Rubio is a "ball handling genius"? yes, he showed stretches in international play but its a different game here. We will see. All the scouts and everyone on here agree with you so I realize my view is somewhat contrarian. To me, I think these people are insane.

Pop stuck with him because he was young.
And because he was the fastest guy in the NBA.
Is that Talent...? Parker made himself talented. He had no perimeter
game and was very weak going to the basket. Both
of those things have changed through very hard work.
And because of proper strength training he is actually strong now.


I dont know what the scouts say. Seriously I read nothing
about the guy except they say he is good. I watched the kid
on u-tube against inferior competition, and of course the Olympics.

He has very good, BIG, quick hands. He stops and starts, changes
direction dramatically WITH the ball with purpose (not playground,
I now wish to do a dance in front of you and go nowhere).
He sees the entire floor.
He can go to the hole.
He can intiate or direct an offense.

Can he fail? Of course. With the wrong team and wrong
coach asked to do the wrong things, sure he can fail.
Sap the confidence of a player like this, and sure you can
kill him. He is not a great athlete that will beat you physically.
He will have to beef up also imo, the first year will probably
be tough on him physically. More so than the older players
that are physically strong.

[dalakhani]

[quote=pgardn]Pop stuck with him because he was young.
And because he was the fastest guy in the NBA.
Is that Talent...? Parker made himself talented. He had no perimeter
game and was very weak going to the basket. Both
of those things have changed through very hard work.
And because of proper strength training he is actually strong now.


QUOTE]

tony parker is "strong"? P, you have to stop. Tony parker was a first round draft pick before it was fashionable to find the next great euro. He wasnt just fast. You can't start 72 games for a playoff team and just be "fast". Just stop. Please.

Tony Parker, or anyone else for that matter, can't "make himself talented". You either have it or you don't. You can develop talent and thus make talent manifest but it has to be there from the start. If you start 72 games your rookie year as a 1st round draft choice, you obviously have talent and you obviously have developed it to some degree.

Lets just talk about something else.

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Pop stuck with him because he was young.
And because he was the fastest guy in the NBA.
Is that Talent...? Parker made himself talented. He had no perimeter
game and was very weak going to the basket. Both
of those things have changed through very hard work.
And because of proper strength training he is actually strong now.


QUOTE]

tony parker is "strong"? P, you have to stop. Tony parker was a first round draft pick before it was fashionable to find the next great euro. He wasnt just fast. You can't start 72 games for a playoff team and just be "fast". Just stop. Please.

Tony Parker, or anyone else for that matter, can't "make himself talented". You either have it or you don't. You can develop talent and thus make talent manifest but it has to be there from the start. If you start 72 games your rookie year as a 1st round draft choice, you obviously have talent and you obviously have developed it to some degree.

Lets just talk about something else.

oh good lord...
ok you are right, talented, I used it improperly.

Tony Parker made himself the best player the
currently have Spurs.
Hows that...

pgardn: And yes he is strong.

Dala: but he did not win the Iron man competition.
Glen Davis is strong, not Parker.

Pgardn: He is basketball strong in that he can now physically
bully to the basket, get fouled while making the basket, and
then step up to the foul line for and one...

I use the English language very poorly over the internet.
I rush, and I dont care much how I present arguments.
I will try to go slowly and show selectivity with my
sports vocabulary. I also spell very poorly, chop up sentences,
and generally run on. Too much math in my head.
A sickness that comes with Physics. I actually use to be
able to see words in my head spelled out. No more.

[dalakhani]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

oh good lord...
ok you are right, talented, I used it improperly.

Tony Parker made himself the best player the
currently have Spurs.
Hows that...

pgardn: And yes he is strong.

Dala: but he did not win the Iron man competition.
Glen Davis is strong, not Parker.

Pgardn: He is basketball strong in that he can now physically
bully to the basket, get fouled while making the basket, and
then step up to the foul line for and one...

I use the English language very poorly over the internet.
I rush, and I dont care much how I present arguments.
I will try to go slowly and show selectivity with my
sports vocabulary. I also spell very poorly, chop up sentences,
and generally run on. Too much math in my head.
A sickness that comes with Physics. I actually use to be
able to see words in my head spelled out. No more.

Fair enough. Touche. Any way you cut it, Parker has been a wonderful player.

We will see about your boy Rubio. The crow will be on the plate for someone to eat come fall.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Fair enough. Touche. Any way you cut it, Parker has been a wonderful player.

We will see about your boy Rubio. The crow will be on the plate for someone to eat come fall.

We will know if Rubio is a player by fall? Oberto is expected to re-up with SA, not Bowen.

[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

We will know if Rubio is a player by fall? Oberto is expected to re-up with SA, not Bowen.

I actually did not post this.
About Rubio.

I dont know if they have Oberto's heart condition
figured out for sure. He had said he would only play
for the Spurs with Ginobili. Those medical rules prohibit
info being given out, I personally think Oberto's condition
is still not perfectly stable.

Spurs must have another big man.
Maybe the Spanish team that has Splitter under contract
will go bankrupt during this recession.

im fixin this quote stuff...

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We will know if Rubio is a player by fall? Oberto is expected to re-up with SA, not Bowen.

This is what Cannon posted.
Now we are on track.

[dalakhani]

[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

We will know if Rubio is a player by fall? Oberto is expected to re-up with SA, not Bowen.

I think with a a top five pick, you know right away whether or not he can compete long term in the NBA. They arent all superstars but you know early on in most cases whether or not a guy can compete.

Remember, the NBA is not a developmental league especially in the backcourt. Sure guys get better but top 5 draft picks, especially with guards, are expected to deliver something right away. He doesnt have to start. He can play 10-15 minutes a game and you can get an idea of what the future holds.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think with a a top five pick, you know right away whether or not he can compete long term in the NBA. They arent all superstars but you know early on in most cases whether or not a guy can compete.

Remember, the NBA is not a developmental league especially in the backcourt. Sure guys get better but top 5 draft picks, especially with guards, are expected to deliver something right away. He doesnt have to start. He can play 10-15 minutes a game and you can get an idea of what the future holds.

The NBA is most certainly a developmental league. Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett both "developed" into stars after slow beginnings. While they obviously had talent it was hardly apparent that they would be hall of fame players after the fall of their first year. Hell neither were starters and garnett did not even make all rookie 1st team. Perhaps when the vast majority of guys drafted were 4 year college players you could make that case. But when guys are 18 and 19 they almost always develop into better players, sometimes from guys who don't look like they can play much into all NBA guys.