U.S. Open

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again i never said better , but if you took 100 people and asked them to vote , some of them may not know a thing about golf at all , i might get a few votes just based on distance and distance alone

i am admitting i need 6 shots , and , i am willing to play you with 6 shots whenever you would like. i myself an stuck behind a computer 10 hrs a day at work and play 1x a week so i won't have my "A" game either

Im not saying you ever said better. You just talked about being able to hit more shots and play more shots.

you think you can hit more and play more shots than me?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

Im not saying you ever said better. You just talked about being able to hit more shots and play more shots.

you think you can hit more and play more shots than me?

me personally no , you are a pro , but if you take 100 people off the side of the road some may be golfers some may not be golfers , and i hit shots and you hit shots -- will i really get no votes at all ,zero votes do you really believe that?

if you showed those same people results from tournaments , and you asked them to vote based on our results in those tournaments , there is no way i could ever get a vote , not 1 , not even a 1/2 a vote

[GPK]

Originally Posted by gales0678

me personally no , you are a pro , but if you take 100 people off the side of the road some may be golfers some may not be golfers , and i hit shots and you hit shots -- will i really get no votes at all ,zero votes do you really believe that?

if you showed those same people results from tournaments , and you asked them to vote based on our results in those tournaments , there is no way i could ever get a vote , not 1 , not even a 1/2 a vote

You would defenitely get some votes. I know a decent player when I see it. I know you are better than what your handicap says. But you made it sound like you had all these shots in your game that your are capable of that I am not.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GPK

You would defenitely get some votes. I know a decent player when I see it. I know you are better than what your handicap says. But you made it sound like you had all these shots in your game that your are capable of that I am not.

if i came off that way i apoligize , my whole point was to try to explain to lori that talent is subjective - and with phil and tiger the talent is there with both of them , they both have won a lot of tournaments , but we have seen phil miss two putts today in the last 4 holes of a major that he should have won ..... i have never seen tiger miss a putt in a similar situation, i can't ever remember him having a miss with a lead in major with under 4 holes to go from 6 ft and in ..... and those shots/putts have nothing to do with talent ..... so once we watch these tournaments and base our opinions of talent on these tournaments , whether we like it or not our opinion on who is more talented is flawed

[Gander]

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Gander

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

I agree totally. Tiger had a great shot to put himself in the clubhouse at 2 or 3 under which would have totally changed the way those guys played down the stretch. And had he put himself in at 4 under he probably wins.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

listen tiger fans whether they like it or not still have to come to grips that he hasn't won a major when not leading after 3 rounds

that being said he is 14/14 when he has the lead after 3 rounds in a major and that is probably the greatest achievement in golf in and of itself .....they all have lost with leads after 3 rounds - jones, hogan ,snead , nelson, palmer , nicklaus, trevino , player - tiger has never lost 14/14 is simply remarkable

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

listen tiger fans whether they like it or not still have to come to grips that he hasn't won a major when not leading after 3 rounds

that being said he is 14/14 when he has the lead after 3 rounds in a major and that is probably the greatest achievement in golf in and of itself .....they all have lost with leads after 3 rounds - jones, hogan ,snead , nelson, palmer , nicklaus, trevino , player - tiger has never lost 14/14 is simply remarkable

True. And as the stigma of Phil blowing Majors on the last nine holes continues to grow, so too does the predictablitiy of Tiger Wood's game.
Hes either all or nothing which is why he is such a great frontrunner.

Reminds me of that damn horse who won yesterday's 8th at Belmont- Greenspirit. Give the horse an easy lead and hes damn near 100% sure to win. Tiger is to golf as what Greenspirit is to horse racing.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by gales0678

listen tiger fans whether they like it or not still have to come to grips that he hasn't won a major when not leading after 3 rounds

that being said he is 14/14 when he has the lead after 3 rounds in a major and that is probably the greatest achievement in golf in and of itself .....they all have lost with leads after 3 rounds - jones, hogan ,snead , nelson, palmer , nicklaus, trevino , player - tiger has never lost 14/14 is simply remarkable

That's because the brother either can putt the greens, or he can't. He usually doesn't figure out greens that he struggles with on the 1st day.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Gander

In Phil's defense, at least he made putts early on that gave him a relaistic chance to blow the tournament, which he indeed did. Tiger putted so bad today and you cant say those werent "clutch putts". Thats BS. They all were. Had he made half of the 4 or 5 I saw him miss, the end result of the tournament may have been very different. And had he had the Eagle like he usually gets in the final round of majors he wins or at least gets very close to winning, I think he would have won. But he "made nothing" today. Call it what you will, but one might argue that Tiger choked as much as Phil did today.

I dont think Tiger choked... he really doesnt have it in him to choke. But he putted horribly.. not just today but all week. Saturday I swear every hole he had a 8 to 25 ft birdie putt on every stinkin hole and he couldnt make a thing. It was strange...

The commentator (which annoys the hell out of me) made an interesting point, though it may have been 100% BS.. he said Tiger has a lot of trouble with slow greens and also when he has a speed down for the greens (in practice rounds) than the greens slow up (from all the rain), he has difficulty making adjustments (which was visible all week he was leaving putts short).