Williams to Kentucky race industry: "Drop dead."

[philcski]

I love the antigambling Bible beating zealots in Kentucky. "Rep. Danny Ford, R-Mt. Vernon, said he was against it because it was bad for families and it’s unconstitutional." Yeah, OK. If they can't gamble at Churchill Downs or Turfway Park, they'll drive 20 minutes to Horseshoe or Argosy Indiana. The bill is about keeping gambling dollars in-state. Simple as that. I'm so sick of the pathetic attempts to tell us how to spend our money. If I don't gamble with it I'm not spending it on other sh1t, it'll sit in the bank doing nothing. Either take my money in state or I'll spend it in Indiana like I do now.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by philcski

I love the antigambling Bible beating zealots in Kentucky. "Rep. Danny Ford, R-Mt. Vernon, said he was against it because it was bad for families and it’s unconstitutional." Yeah, OK. If they can't gamble at Churchill Downs or Turfway Park, they'll drive 20 minutes to Horseshoe or Argosy Indiana. The bill is about keeping gambling dollars in-state. Simple as that. I'm so sick of the pathetic attempts to tell us how to spend our money. If I don't gamble with it I'm not spending it on other sh1t, it'll sit in the bank doing nothing. Either take my money in state or I'll spend it in Indiana like I do now.

I just don't get this argument.I never will. I think slots can destroy folks lives. You guys wants slots because they will help racing not because slots are good for people lives. It prolongs consolidation and artificially keeps these slept tracks solvent. Mountainer purses are half of what they were because the folks just have less money to lose, soon they will be cut again and then the kill pens will be full of stock on the way to Mexico.

I go to AC 3 times a week its a dungeon now. Soon there will be gambling everywhere and racing will be holding the bag with still too many tracks and to little racing stock. Will be back to square one.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I just don't get this argument.I never will. I think slots can destroy folks lives. You guys wants slots because they will help racing not because slots are good for people lives. It prolongs consolidation and artificially keeps these slept tracks solvent. Mountainer purses are half of what they were because the folks just have less money to lose, soon they will be cut again and then the kill pens will be full of stock on the way to Mexico.

I go to AC 3 times a week its a dungeon now. Soon there will be gambling everywhere and racing will be holding the bag with still too many tracks and to little racing stock. Will be back to square one.

I know what you're saying, and I don't necessarily disagree. My point is that people will gamble regardless of where the slots are- keeping the gambling dollars in the state of Kentucky is what needs to be done. If you go to Horseshoe Indiana on any day, half of the plates are Kentucky if not more, just like back before PA had slots 40% of the plates in AC were Pennsylvania. I'm in Pittsburgh today and Mountaineer is getting waxed because the Meadows has slots, Wheeling Island has improved their facility, and there's a new casino set to open in downtown Pittsburgh in August. There's less people willing to drive the extra 15 minutes to play at a generally dumpy facility. Same thing applies in Kentucky.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by philcski

I know what you're saying, and I don't necessarily disagree. My point is that people will gamble regardless of where the slots are- keeping the gambling dollars in the state of Kentucky is what needs to be done. If you go to Horseshoe Indiana on any day, half of the plates are Kentucky if not more, just like back before PA had slots 40% of the plates in AC were Pennsylvania. I'm in Pittsburgh today and Mountaineer is getting waxed because the Meadows has slots, Wheeling Island has improved their facility, and there's a new casino set to open in downtown Pittsburgh in August. There's less people willing to drive the extra 15 minutes to play at a generally dumpy facility. Same thing applies in Kentucky.

So I guess the horses will be waxed soon enough at Mountainer, then PID then Yonkers.. It's over..People are fighting for 24 month shot in the arm.. It's like a shot of cortisone in your shoulder. It lasts a few months then you still need the surgery

[joeydb]

I wonder how soon Williams will feel the heat on this. Will we have to wait for the election or will the local press start to beat him up?

[Riot]

I doubt he'll feel much heat. The local press hasn't been "for" slots, exactly, as they tend to cater to the religious anti-gambling view.

Many - maybe most - in Kentucky view the horse industry as the hobby legacy of self-funded millionaires who came and built great farms and run horses in the Derby. They really don't care about the "rich horse folks". They don't think these people need help by introducing "more gambling" (not true, but that's the impression). They say, "Look at all the rich people buying horses at Keeneland.", and boy, the Derby is busy, and these people have much more money than I do, so what do they need government financial help for?

Seriously, the vast majority of the general public in Kentucky could care less about horses. And that's IN the bluegrass region - they don't care at all in the rest of Kentucky.

They don't understand that the above is not representative of the depth of "the horse industry" around here, that it's the vets, farriers, small farms, feedstores, etc. that make up the industry, not just Keeneland and the former glory of Calumet. And all the non-thoroughbred horses, too (we've lost the Standardbred industry from here)

It was attempted in this fight to show the public and the legislature what "is" the horse industry, how many "small" people will be affected, but it apparently failed.

Kentucky has always been unusual in the way they dealt with the horse and farms here. Historically, the business has been left to the rich owners of the farms and the horses and the tracks, frankly. There has never been good state or government involvement in agriculture and horses here, believe it or not, and now we've suffered when we've come with our hand out. They frankly don't believe we need any financial help, slots are just a way for the rich to get richer.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I doubt he'll feel much heat. The local press hasn't been "for" slots, exactly, as they tend to cater to the religious anti-gambling view.

Many - maybe most - in Kentucky view the horse industry as the hobby legacy of self-funded millionaires who came and built great farms and run horses in the Derby. They really don't care about the "rich horse folks". They don't think these people need help by introducing "more gambling" (not true, but that's the impression). They say, "Look at all the rich people buying horses at Keeneland.", and boy, the Derby is busy, and these people have much more money than I do, so what do they need government financial help for?

Seriously, the vast majority of the general public in Kentucky could care less about horses. And that's IN the bluegrass region - they don't care at all in the rest of Kentucky.

They don't understand that the above is not representative of the depth of "the horse industry" around here, that it's the vets, farriers, small farms, feedstores, etc. that make up the industry, not just Keeneland and the former glory of Calumet. And all the non-thoroughbred horses, too (we've lost the Standardbred industry from here)

It was attempted in this fight to show the public and the legislature what "is" the horse industry, how many "small" people will be affected, but it apparently failed.

Kentucky has always been unusual in the way they dealt with the horse and farms here. Historically, the business has been left to the rich owners of the farms and the horses and the tracks, frankly. There has never been good state or government involvement in agriculture and horses here, believe it or not, and now we've suffered when we've come with our hand out. They frankly don't believe we need any financial help, slots are just a way for the rich to get richer.

On the contrary the people of KY were firmly behind this bill if you believe any of the polling that has been done.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by freddymo

So I guess the horses will be waxed soon enough at Mountainer, then PID then Yonkers.. It's over..People are fighting for 24 month shot in the arm.. It's like a shot of cortisone in your shoulder. It lasts a few months then you still need the surgery

don't underestimate the rooneys freddy mo , they will make it one way or another