6/20 (CNL): Colonial Turf Cup (G2); All Along (G3)

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by CSC

I guess you can say I am fishing for value here, I respect Pletcher and his placement of horses and this one's placement is abit intriguing, though with his form it would be a leap to back him unless he's outrageously forgotten.

Don't the horse's performances in his last two starts sort of undermine any reasoning that points to Pletcher's spotting of horses?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Don't the horse's performances in his last two starts sort of undermine any reasoning that points to Pletcher's spotting of horses?

I know what you are saying, it's just peculiar that if they wanted a wakeup race with the surface change, they didn't choose an Allw race but chose a 500K race to do it in. It's an aggressive spot for this horse, unless he's insurance for the race if it comes off of the turf, If we go 3 back, his first race was actually OK...Panty Raid was a horse that had reportedly worked well before that big race out west yrs ago when she tried turf the 1st time, though Panty Raid was a good horse her pedigree wasn't overly turf heavy and remembering & wondering why Pletch had chosen that race for her, she won nevertheless, however the only way someone would have taken a stand with her that day is if they knew how she worked on grass prior to that race.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Don't the horse's performances in his last two starts sort of undermine any reasoning that points to Pletcher's spotting of horses?

it reminds me a little of Court Vision from last year, did he have any turf starts going into colonial, i can't remember

-bt-

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by -BT-

it reminds me a little of Court Vision from last year, did he have any turf starts going into colonial, i can't remember

-bt-

He didn't but he also got drubbed in the Turf Cup before a good Va Derby.

All I know of Al Khali is that he's a very slow horse.

NT

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

All I know of Al Khali is that he's a very slow horse.

NT

yea , and even his allowance win was IIRC a lucky win where Atomic Rain? wierdly quit on the turn and Al Khali inherited the lead/win.


However Medaglio D'oro is a popular sire at this time and it makes sense for his owners to take some shots with him. He has some decent works on both turf and Keeneland. I don't like him here at all but I can see them trying to get some value out of this seemingly mediocre animal.

[CSC]

I don't suppose anyone on this board has seen him work on turf? He shows 3 turf works since the Peter Pan, is it possible Pletcher saw something he liked?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

I don't suppose anyone on this board has seen him work on turf? He shows 3 turf works since the Peter Pan, is it possible Pletcher saw something he liked?

It's also possible that this is a last-ditch effort with a horse who has allowance conditions that aren't available to straight 3's.

A very astute poster put up Pletcher's stat regarding horses trying turf for the first time in graded stakes earlier in the thread.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It's also possible that this is a last-ditch effort with a horse who has allowance conditions that aren't available to straight 3's.

A very astute poster put up Pletcher's stat regarding horses trying turf for the first time in graded stakes earlier in the thread.

NT

Granted 1-13(7.7%) is a small sample, yeah I admit this is abit of a fishing expedition looking for value where there may not be any, however I would look at him if he was atleast 15-1 and over. None of these bowl me over that you have to atleast try to find some value here.