Quality Road to Pletcher..

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Umm Zaftig. Desert Key. QR obviously.

I don't necessarily disagree because you could have thrown in Mint Lane,
Tiger, Christmas Kid (all of whom might not have been that great but suffered dramatic falls from grace).

NT

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't necessarily disagree because you could have thrown in Mint Lane,
Tiger, Christmas Kid (all of whom might not have been that great but suffered dramatic falls from grace).

NT

Then what was your point?

[Sightseek]

I don't think 'fast horses with problems' are exclusive to Jerkens - you could say that with nearly anybody.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Jimmy Jerkens trained the immortal Wranger.

I cashed a damn nice bet on Wrangler at 5/1 at Saratoga when Orseno trained him in a 35K claimer .. shockingly, he only managed a 7.5 length 110 Beyer alw win when transferred to Jimmy Jerkens for the first time.

Jimmy Jerkens also had Put It Back for a couple races while his father was in poor health.

Put It Back ended his career with 5 straight wire to wire sprint wins .. all of which coming with the great Noel Wynter aboard.

[Bobby Fischer]

well, at least with Quality Road, he already fits ok with Velazquez' style, so that going to Pletcher doesn't mean the automatic jockey downgrade to JV or Prado that it means with many horses.

It kind of sucks from a politics standpoint, but I don't see it helping or hurting Quality Road very much

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Then what was your point?

My point was that while JJ has struggled with keeping some horses that had potential sound but Storm Play should not necessarily be singled out as a bad training job.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

My point was that while JJ has struggled with keeping some horses that had potential sound but Storm Play should not necessarily be singled out as a bad training job.

NT

I don't think anyone said Jimmy was anything close to a bad trainer.

Storm Play made his first start in late August of his 3YO season and now hasn't been seen in going on seven months.

[hockey2315]

What Andy said. . .

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't think anyone said Jimmy was anything close to a bad trainer.

Storm Play made his first start in late August of his 3YO season and now hasn't been seen in going on seven months.

I didn't think anyone said anything about him being a bad trainer but the argument was posited that he has had a great deal of "fast" horses end up with problems.

Storm Play was "thrown to the wolves" and all I was attempting to do was refute that notion. I know you didn't think much of Storm Play's chances in the Cigar Mile and neither did I, but I definitely don't think he was foolishly spotted there.

If anything, and I imagine this had something to do with the decision to move his horses, Jerkens is very conservative. I imagine after years with Mark Hennig Evans is in search of more instant (or any) gratification.

NT

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I didn't think anyone said anything about him being a bad trainer but the argument was posited that he has had a great deal of "fast" horses end up with problems.

Storm Play was "thrown to the wolves" and all I was attempting to do was refute that notion. I know you didn't think much of Storm Play's chances in the Cigar Mile and neither did I, but I definitely don't think he was foolishly spotted there.

If anything, and I imagine this had something to do with the decision to move his horses, Jerkens is very conservative. I imagine after years with Mark Hennig Evans is in search of more instant (or any) gratification.

NT

Maybe the "thrown to the wolves" comment was a slight exaggeration, but the fact remains that something has obviously gone wrong with the horse.

[HaloWishingwell]

look at the bright side, they didnt give Pletcher the horse for The Derby.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If anything, and I imagine this had something to do with the decision to move his horses, Jerkens is very conservative. I imagine after years with Mark Hennig Evans is in search of more instant (or any) gratification.

NT

The irony with this decision is that, after Evans' split with Hennig, he sent horses to Jerkens, Pletcher and Dutrow. Unless I'm missing something, it seems as if Jerkens accomplished more with the Evans horses that he was given than either Dutrow or Pletcher (i.e., Nite Light, Spritely).

[Pedigree Ann]

Maybe the owner doesn't want the horse's lack of good feet exposed by Jerkens' 'old style' training methods? He can probably win some shorter races (Jerome, Cigar Mile), brilliantly, on talent alone, without being completely fit. Try to get him fit enough for 10f against a top class field and the feet may go out again.