Quality Road to Pletcher..

[hockey2315]

Jerkens isn't exactly a little guy, though. I agree that it's a bit surprising with the success Jerkens has had with this horse and a few of Evans' others, but he does seem to train a lot of fast horses that end up having problems (I'm sure I'll get ripped for this). I wonder how Storm Play is doing after they threw him to the wolves in the Cigar. . .

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Jerkens isn't exactly a little guy, though. I agree that it's a bit surprising with the success Jerkens has had with this horse and a few of Evans' others, but he does seem to train a lot of fast horses that end up having problems (I'm sure I'll get ripped for this). I wonder how Storm Play is doing after they threw him to the wolves in the Cigar. . .

Storm Play has been with Pletcher for quite some time. He had cleared the N1X condition, won an overnight stake and last year's Cigar Mile, while deep and competitive, hardly featured a horse you should really be scared of. I didn't like Storm Play that day but I doubt you can blame JJ for trying him there.

What are your other examples of fast horses Jerkens has trained that have had problems?

NT

[Indian Charlie]

zaftig

[hockey2315]

Umm Zaftig. Desert Key. QR obviously.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Umm Zaftig. Desert Key. QR obviously.

I don't necessarily disagree because you could have thrown in Mint Lane,
Tiger, Christmas Kid (all of whom might not have been that great but suffered dramatic falls from grace).

NT

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't necessarily disagree because you could have thrown in Mint Lane,
Tiger, Christmas Kid (all of whom might not have been that great but suffered dramatic falls from grace).

NT

Then what was your point?

[Sightseek]

I don't think 'fast horses with problems' are exclusive to Jerkens - you could say that with nearly anybody.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Jimmy Jerkens trained the immortal Wranger.

I cashed a damn nice bet on Wrangler at 5/1 at Saratoga when Orseno trained him in a 35K claimer .. shockingly, he only managed a 7.5 length 110 Beyer alw win when transferred to Jimmy Jerkens for the first time.

Jimmy Jerkens also had Put It Back for a couple races while his father was in poor health.

Put It Back ended his career with 5 straight wire to wire sprint wins .. all of which coming with the great Noel Wynter aboard.

[Bobby Fischer]

well, at least with Quality Road, he already fits ok with Velazquez' style, so that going to Pletcher doesn't mean the automatic jockey downgrade to JV or Prado that it means with many horses.

It kind of sucks from a politics standpoint, but I don't see it helping or hurting Quality Road very much

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Then what was your point?

My point was that while JJ has struggled with keeping some horses that had potential sound but Storm Play should not necessarily be singled out as a bad training job.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

My point was that while JJ has struggled with keeping some horses that had potential sound but Storm Play should not necessarily be singled out as a bad training job.

NT

I don't think anyone said Jimmy was anything close to a bad trainer.

Storm Play made his first start in late August of his 3YO season and now hasn't been seen in going on seven months.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Storm Play has been with Pletcher for quite some time. He had cleared the N1X condition, won an overnight stake and last year's Cigar Mile, while deep and competitive, hardly featured a horse you should really be scared of. I didn't like Storm Play that day but I doubt you can blame JJ for trying him there.

What are your other examples of fast horses Jerkens has trained that have had problems?

NT

Some more:

Vitruvius, Corinthian (who ended up putting things back together), Doremifasolatidoooooo, Mint Lane.