There's no stars in racing? Is that right?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

have you completely lost your mind? Roberto was clutch!

i love Einstein! he just shows up and runs his guts out. does whatever he has to, to win. he's star that should be promoted as one.
we can remember the old days but try to root for the stars we have now. or try to make new stars.

Clemente was a great player but Cabrera is a better hitter by almost every measure. In 4 or 5 years he will have surpassed Clemente in every meaningful hitting measure while having played 60% of the time RC did.

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Clemente was a great player but Cabrera is a better hitter by almost every measure. In 4 or 5 years he will have surpassed Clemente in every meaningful hitting measure while having played 60% of the time RC did.

the little baseball i watch, isn't that far above beer league softball, the pitching is terrible.
remember that clemente was on the 1960 battlin bucs that beat the yankees. clemente face Far better pitching, everyday.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

the little baseball i watch, isn't that far above beer league softball, the pitching is terrible.
remember that clemente was on the 1960 battlin bucs that beat the yankees. clemente face Far better pitching, everyday.

That is not measurable. Cabrera is a better hitter. Sorry.

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Clemente was a great player but Cabrera is a better hitter by almost every measure. In 4 or 5 years he will have surpassed Clemente in every meaningful hitting measure while having played 60% of the time RC did.

CHuck Chuck Chuck you need to go look up some statistics before you start making these posts. If Cabrera Plays 10 More seasons he would have to average 200 hits per year to close in on RC 3000 lifetime hits. and in 10 years that would but him at 17 or 18 years service in the big leagues.


No Doubt Cabrera is a good hitter But he strikes out way to Much in fact at his current rate in 5 years (which would make his 11th or 12th season) he will have struck out more times than RC did in 18 seasons

[Bobby Fischer]

Cabrera and Clemente = both wonderful pure hitters that didn't walk enough

I know we are talking stats and not legacy here, but It also goes without saying that Clemente transcends his stats in a way that Cabrera has not even approached yet.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

CHuck Chuck Chuck you need to go look up some statistics before you start making these posts. If Cabrera Plays 10 More seasons he would have to average 200 hits per year to close in on RC 3000 lifetime hits. and in 10 years that would but him at 17 or 18 years service in the big leagues.


No Doubt Cabrera is a good hitter But he strikes out way to Much in fact at his current rate in 5 years (which would make his 11th or 12th season) he will have struck out more times than RC did in 18 seasons

Actually since he is averaging 189 hits a season and has yet to hit his prime years it is hardly a stretch to think he wont surpass Clemente in total hits. You do realize that he just turned 26 and already has 1100 hits? Clemente "led" the league in GIDP's which are quite a bit worse than strikeouts.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually since he is averaging 189 hits a season and has yet to hit his prime years it is hardly a stretch to think he wont surpass Clemente in total hits. You do realize that he just turned 26 and already has 1100 hits? Clemente "led" the league in GIDP's which are quite a bit worse than strikeouts.

Imagine Clemente on steriods? I would suggest that comparing baseball players today to 30 years ago is a dicey proposition. I really have no fundamental issue with going home to the DR and cycling for the winter. They all were doing it so I figure it was fair for everybody. I think its pretty obvious Caberra's body has dramatically changed since his 167lbs 19 year old days in Florida.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Clemente was a great player but Cabrera is a better hitter by almost every measure. In 4 or 5 years he will have surpassed Clemente in every meaningful hitting measure while having played 60% of the time RC did.

The fallacy of statistics.

Cabrera, a player that just last season was sent to triple A, being compared to Roberto Clemente (favorably, no less) is...

And now I get it.

Great point!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The fallacy of statistics.

Cabrera, a player that just last season was sent to triple A, being compared to Roberto Clemente (favorably, no less) is...

And now I get it.

Great point!

Before you start your (usually misguided) rantings, YOU should check the numbers. Since he became a starter in 2004 he has played in 160, 158, 158,157, and 160 games. He is better than babe ruth if during that time he actually had time to play in the minors while playing virtually every game in the majors too. At least make sure you get the correct Cabrera before you post nonsense.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Before you start your (usually misguided) rantings, YOU should check the numbers. Since he became a starter in 2004 he has played in 160, 158, 158,157, and 160 games. He is better than babe ruth if during that time he actually had time to play in the minors while playing virtually every game in the majors too. At least make sure you get the correct Cabrera before you post nonsense.

I thought you meant melky who was mentioned earlier in the thread which is about as misguided as delonte west being a player.

carry on.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I thought you meant melky who was mentioned earlier in the thread which is about as misguided as delonte west being a player.

carry on.

Delonte West and Trevor Ariza and Jimmy Carter are a better hitters than melky