Obama love

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.journalism.org/analysis_r...first_100_days

They are not counting the stories on Geithner, Summers, Orszag, Romer, Bernake... these are his men/women. Their ideas go through him. You dont think there has been any cricticism of these folks. Look em up.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They are not counting the stories on Geithner, Summers, Orszag, Romer, Bernake... these are his men/women. Their ideas go through him. You dont think there has been any cricticism of these folks. Look em up.

Because when the right criticizes them the immediate response from the left is "show me where he said that." Doesn't count if not directly quoted by Obama ie even GOP Riot.

But on the other side Bush was responsible for everything and anyone that happened during his administration.

Meanwhile Carter thinks the Israeli treatment of Palestine is worse than Rawanda? Maybe he mispoke? LOL

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Because when the right criticizes them the immediate response from the left is "show me where he said that." Doesn't count if not directly quoted by Obama ie even GOP Riot.

Fact and opinion are not equal and the same, nor blindly interchangable.

If I say "The earth is flat", you have every right to challenge that assertion and ask me to post some empirical evidence that the earth is flat. Or you can post evidence that shows the earth is not flat.

However, posting another person's web blog, where that person says, "I think the earth is flat, too!" is not evidence that the earth is flat.

Try reading the other thread about "intellectual honesty" in discourse and debate.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Fact and opinion are not equal and the same, nor blindly interchangable.

If I say "The earth is flat", you have every right to challenge that assertion and ask me to post some empirical evidence that the earth is flat. Or you can post evidence that shows the earth is not flat.

However, posting another person's web blog, where that person says, "I think the earth is flat, too!" is not evidence that the earth is flat.

Try reading the other thread about "intellectual honesty" in discourse and debate.

except Obama's long time minister, Obama's staff who claimed unemployment wouldn't surpass 8% etc. etc.

Now explain to me what Carter gets and why he thinks Isreal is the worse violators of human rights in the world. You must agree as you seemed to hug his book like a Right Wing Christian hugs his bible.

[Riot]

Now explain to me what Carter gets and why he thinks Isreal is the worse violators of human rights in the world. You must agree as you seemed to hug his book like a Right Wing Christian hugs his bible.

I explained "what Carter gets" in the previous post. Here it is again:

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world."

Obama - with his family history, having an understanding of Muslim culture - that helps him "get" the middle east, too. His speech in Cairo was broadly hailed in the middle east as he showed his understanding of area idiosyncrasies. He is intelligent and articulate regarding general middle eastern area concepts, and the middle east even points it out.

Carter, through the years of his Presidency and since, also has a strong and complex understanding of middle eastern issues.

and why he thinks Isreal is the worse violators of human rights in the world. You must agree as you seemed to hug his book like a Right Wing Christian hugs his bible

You should probably stop assuming what other people think or agree to. Makes you look silly.

If you want to discuss the state of Isreal, and the best way to achieve middle eastern peace in it's various regions - go for it and open a different thread about it.

It has nothing to do with what I posted about Obama, and mentioned about Carter.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You should probably stop assuming what other people think or agree to. Makes you look silly.

So he gets it but you don't agree with his view that Isreal is the worse violator of human rights in the world or you do? Very simple question. Your answer was a bit Sybil-like IMO

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So he gets it but you don't agree with his view that Isreal is the worse violator of human rights in the world or you do? Very simple question. Your answer was a bit Sybil-like IMO

I don't care to get into a discussion regarding Isreal. That has nothing to do with what I posted originally about either Obama or Carter.

I categorize several US foreign statesmen as brilliant with a deep, obvious and/or exceptional understanding of particular countries, the local and locally international politics, their leaders, the personalities involved, and areas of foreign policy.

That doesn't mean I agree with all their foreign policy decisions, no, not at all.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Because when the right criticizes them the immediate response from the left is "show me where he said that." Doesn't count if not directly quoted by Obama ie even GOP Riot.

But on the other side Bush was responsible for everything and anyone that happened during his administration.

Meanwhile Carter thinks the Israeli treatment of Palestine is worse than Rawanda? Maybe he mispoke? LOL

Rumsfeld and Cheney took tons of heat.
Maybe more than Bush. Bush was portrayed
as being led along by these guys. And the God
of the markets, Alan Greenspan, has admitted he
misjudged the market's ability to handle itself.

Carter has always had a problem with Israel.
I think Jimmy Carter has very good intentions
on most domestic issues. His getting involved with
habitat for humanity was essential in keeping a
non-governmental charity moving along helping people
obtain homes while careful scrutinizing for their ability to pay.

I just disagree with him on some foreign policy.

Look at what Carter did directly after his presidency
compared to what Reagan did. It tells you a little bit
about both men.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Look at what Carter did directly after his presidency
compared to what Reagan did. It tells you a little bit
about both men.

Reagan was 80 years old!!! What did you want him to do?
What exactly has Carter done? Anything positive still cant make up for the disastrous years he spent in office