Obama love

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The press has been overwhelmingly supportive of Obama

As any new president is and more so because he is black.
Or he says he is black. But overwhelming supportive of his
economic policies... no frggn way. The press is interviewing
numerous economists and bankers etc... that are all pointing
out what they think to be huge flaws. Almost everyday.

And its easy because Obama is moving at lightning speed.
Car companies, banks, carbon emission standards, so much
is taking place... its all over. Including criticism.

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

As any new president is and more so because he is black.
Or he says he is black. But overwhelming supportive of his
economic policies... no frggn way. The press is interviewing
numerous economists and bankers etc... that are all pointing
out what they think to be huge flaws. Almost everyday.

And its easy because Obama is moving at lightning speed.
Car companies, banks, carbon emission standards, so much
is taking place... its all over. Including criticism.

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

http://www.journalism.org/analysis_r...first_100_days

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://www.journalism.org/analysis_r...first_100_days

They are not counting the stories on Geithner, Summers, Orszag, Romer, Bernake... these are his men/women. Their ideas go through him. You dont think there has been any cricticism of these folks. Look em up.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by pgardn

They are not counting the stories on Geithner, Summers, Orszag, Romer, Bernake... these are his men/women. Their ideas go through him. You dont think there has been any cricticism of these folks. Look em up.

Because when the right criticizes them the immediate response from the left is "show me where he said that." Doesn't count if not directly quoted by Obama ie even GOP Riot.

But on the other side Bush was responsible for everything and anyone that happened during his administration.

Meanwhile Carter thinks the Israeli treatment of Palestine is worse than Rawanda? Maybe he mispoke? LOL

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Because when the right criticizes them the immediate response from the left is "show me where he said that." Doesn't count if not directly quoted by Obama ie even GOP Riot.

Fact and opinion are not equal and the same, nor blindly interchangable.

If I say "The earth is flat", you have every right to challenge that assertion and ask me to post some empirical evidence that the earth is flat. Or you can post evidence that shows the earth is not flat.

However, posting another person's web blog, where that person says, "I think the earth is flat, too!" is not evidence that the earth is flat.

Try reading the other thread about "intellectual honesty" in discourse and debate.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Fact and opinion are not equal and the same, nor blindly interchangable.

If I say "The earth is flat", you have every right to challenge that assertion and ask me to post some empirical evidence that the earth is flat. Or you can post evidence that shows the earth is not flat.

However, posting another person's web blog, where that person says, "I think the earth is flat, too!" is not evidence that the earth is flat.

Try reading the other thread about "intellectual honesty" in discourse and debate.

except Obama's long time minister, Obama's staff who claimed unemployment wouldn't surpass 8% etc. etc.

Now explain to me what Carter gets and why he thinks Isreal is the worse violators of human rights in the world. You must agree as you seemed to hug his book like a Right Wing Christian hugs his bible.

[Riot]

Now explain to me what Carter gets and why he thinks Isreal is the worse violators of human rights in the world. You must agree as you seemed to hug his book like a Right Wing Christian hugs his bible.

I explained "what Carter gets" in the previous post. Here it is again:

"Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world."

Obama - with his family history, having an understanding of Muslim culture - that helps him "get" the middle east, too. His speech in Cairo was broadly hailed in the middle east as he showed his understanding of area idiosyncrasies. He is intelligent and articulate regarding general middle eastern area concepts, and the middle east even points it out.

Carter, through the years of his Presidency and since, also has a strong and complex understanding of middle eastern issues.

and why he thinks Isreal is the worse violators of human rights in the world. You must agree as you seemed to hug his book like a Right Wing Christian hugs his bible

You should probably stop assuming what other people think or agree to. Makes you look silly.

If you want to discuss the state of Isreal, and the best way to achieve middle eastern peace in it's various regions - go for it and open a different thread about it.

It has nothing to do with what I posted about Obama, and mentioned about Carter.

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Because when the right criticizes them the immediate response from the left is "show me where he said that." Doesn't count if not directly quoted by Obama ie even GOP Riot.

But on the other side Bush was responsible for everything and anyone that happened during his administration.

Meanwhile Carter thinks the Israeli treatment of Palestine is worse than Rawanda? Maybe he mispoke? LOL

Rumsfeld and Cheney took tons of heat.
Maybe more than Bush. Bush was portrayed
as being led along by these guys. And the God
of the markets, Alan Greenspan, has admitted he
misjudged the market's ability to handle itself.

Carter has always had a problem with Israel.
I think Jimmy Carter has very good intentions
on most domestic issues. His getting involved with
habitat for humanity was essential in keeping a
non-governmental charity moving along helping people
obtain homes while careful scrutinizing for their ability to pay.

I just disagree with him on some foreign policy.

Look at what Carter did directly after his presidency
compared to what Reagan did. It tells you a little bit
about both men.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Look at what Carter did directly after his presidency
compared to what Reagan did. It tells you a little bit
about both men.

Reagan was 80 years old!!! What did you want him to do?
What exactly has Carter done? Anything positive still cant make up for the disastrous years he spent in office

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So the Iran hostage situation wasnt a big deal? Did he not "get" Iran? C'mon tell me with a straight face that the rise of the mullahs in Iran hasnt been the single most destabilizing force in the region.

Geeshus. Are you guys for real?

What I said, was: Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world.

If you insist upon arguing, argue against what I said. Don't change the subject to something else.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What I said, was: Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world.

If you insist upon arguing, argue against what I said. Don't change the subject to something else.

This is the most ridiculous post yet. How do you know what these people know? Because obama is a muslim he is well versed in Middle eastern tribal disputes? On Carter's watch radical Islam came to power in the Middle East. This is so stupid that I cant even believe that you wrote it. So Obama and Carter are smarter than everyone else when it comes to the Middle East? What exactly has Obama done except give a speech that the majority of which was most likely written by someone else? He can quote the "Holy"Koran. Big deal. Lets see how well he fixes all the issues over there especially when Israel bombs the **** out of Iran.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is the most ridiculous post yet. How do you know what these people know? Because obama is a muslim he is well versed in Middle eastern tribal disputes? On Carter's watch radical Islam came to power in the Middle East. This is so stupid that I cant even believe that you wrote it. So Obama and Carter are smarter than everyone else when it comes to the Middle East? What exactly has Obama done except give a speech that the majority of which was most likely written by someone else? He can quote the "Holy"Koran. Big deal. Lets see how well he fixes all the issues over there especially when Israel bombs the **** out of Iran.

And I find your answer stupidly moronic, narrow minded, fear-based, missing the point, and falling to the embarassing last resort of child-like personal insult just because someone holds an opinion different than you do.

I read and heard Obama's Cairo speech, I have paid attention to his previous comments and writings on the middle east over the past 2-3 years, and I am going by what he has said and demonstrated regarding his understanding of the middle east since he's been in the public eye.

I have read most of Carter's books and watched what happened when he was President (and no, I don't agree with everything that happened on his watch). But I sure as hell respect both these men's exceptional knowledge of the middle east.

That's how I have formed my opinion of "what these people know"

It doesn't agree with your opinion? Too bad. Get over it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

And I find your answer stupidly moronic, narrow minded, fear-based, missing the point, and falling to the embarassing last resort of child-like personal insult just because someone holds an opinion different than you do.

I read and heard Obama's Cairo speech, I have paid attention to his previous comments and writings on the middle east over the past 2-3 years, and I am going by what he has said and demonstrated regarding his understanding of the middle east since he's been in the public eye.

I have read most of Carter's books and watched what happened when he was President (and no, I don't agree with everything that happened on his watch). But I sure as hell respect both these men's exceptional knowledge of the middle east.

That's how I have formed my opinion of "what these people know"

It doesn't agree with your opinion? Too bad. Get over it.

I was wrong. This post is the most ridiculous.

Originally Posted by pgardn

As any new president is and more so because he is black.
Or he says he is black. But overwhelming supportive of his
economic policies... no frggn way. The press is interviewing
numerous economists and bankers etc... that are all pointing
out what they think to be huge flaws. Almost everyday.

And its easy because Obama is moving at lightning speed.
Car companies, banks, carbon emission standards, so much
is taking place... its all over. Including criticism.

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

A substantial majority of Americans say President Obama has not developed a strategy to deal with the budget deficit, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, which also found that support for his plans to overhaul health care, rescue the auto industry and close the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, falls well below his job approval ratings.
The poll found a distinct gulf between Mr. Obama’s overall standing and how some of his key initiatives are viewed, with fewer than half of Americans saying they approve of how he has handled health care and the effort to save General Motors and Chrysler. A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.

For conservatives who think Obama is getting a free ride on his policies.
Might not take the above seriously as it is from the flawed NY Times.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

A substantial majority of Americans say President Obama has not developed a strategy to deal with the budget deficit, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, which also found that support for his plans to overhaul health care, rescue the auto industry and close the prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, falls well below his job approval ratings.
The poll found a distinct gulf between Mr. Obama’s overall standing and how some of his key initiatives are viewed, with fewer than half of Americans saying they approve of how he has handled health care and the effort to save General Motors and Chrysler. A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.

For conservatives who think Obama is getting a free ride on his policies.
Might not take the above seriously as it is from the flawed NY Times.

It is poll. The times cant get extra credit for simply reporting the results of its own poll. I'm sure there was a corresponding op-ed piece stating how flawed the polls results were by blaming Bush, Rush or Palin.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is poll. The times cant get extra credit for simply reporting the results of its own poll. I'm sure there was a corresponding op-ed piece stating how flawed the polls results were by blaming Bush, Rush or Palin.

yes it is so it is very hard to make odd opinions as they
so obviously do with their agenda. The few comments they make on
the results of the poll are not exactly flaming liberal comments:

A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.



Are you not shocked they even published it?
And on the front page...

I will again copy what I wrote:

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

yes it is so it is very hard to make odd opinions as they
so obviously do with their agenda. The few comments they make on
the results of the poll are not exactly flaming liberal comments:

A majority of people said his policies have had either no effect yet on improving the economy or had made it worse, underscoring how his political strength still rests on faith in his leadership rather than concrete results.



Are you not shocked they even published it?
And on the front page...

I will again copy what I wrote:

If you think the average Joe in the US is just fine okdokie
with all these new things being rushed through I dont think
you are reading the public or the press that I am reading.

They clearly are fawning over him and family personally.
But NOT his economic policies.

The poll shows that the average Joe isnt ok with the agenda, despite the generally slanted media coverage

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The poll shows that the average Joe isnt ok with the agenda, despite the generally slanted media coverage

Yes.
This is what I posted.

Coming from commie sources like NPR and the NY Times.

And serioulsy you have to expect the public to like the
Obama's personally. The first black president. He is the first president
that does not look like some Banker. (the process is really open!)
Very bright. Incredible story in his rise to what he is today.
And he wrote about it in some not so kind ways.
And he has little kids in the White House, little kids...
its JFK like, kids crawling under his desk while
he signs some important document.

Now his smoking. I got a big problem with that personally.
And he is extraordinarily cocky. He must drive his speech
writers nuts because he is sure he is better than all of them
given the time. I guarantee you he thinks he would make
a better Supreme Court justice than anyone he could nominate.