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Old 06-12-2009, 11:48 AM
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Yeah, I think Brown and Ragozin are the Galileo of the present era. Just as Galileo had to combat the Jesuit supporters of the Aristotelian world view, Ragozin and Brown have to deal with the old racing paradigm. Look how much they've contributed to the game. I mean their 'catch' phrases alone have armed an entire generation of otherwise clueless horseplayers. They've emboldened them the way ALL IN has inspired a generation of amateur poker players.

BOUNCE

NEW TOP

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All for $30 (or whatever) a day.

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Only in ****in' America.
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Old 06-12-2009, 12:04 PM
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There can always be a competing Triple Crown estalished for 3 year olds. Time will tell if this 2 weeks between the KD and Preakness survives.
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Old 06-12-2009, 12:29 PM
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Part of the issue is that TRAINERS have changed. Most of today's trainers have no idea how to race a horse every 2 weeks.

As for 2yo racing and the TC all the TC winners ran at 2, some of the alot. There was a time when 2yo's meant for the classics were started in June or so. They would then be ready to run in the stakes at Saratoga. Now the classic type colt is held out to break his maiden at Saratoga, run back in the Champagne and then the BCJ. The Hopeful is a glorified NW1x and the Futurity is the same. I remember when Seattle Slew's late start and 3 race juvie campaign was considered radical and many people disagreed with his getting the 2yo championship, not because he wasn't the best but because of his record of a maiden, allowance and (G1) Champagne. The belief was that he didn't "prove" himself in stakes. (Keep in mind that in that era the Champagne was the equivalent of the BCJ.)

Affirmed and Alydar began their rivalry in June of their 2yo season and Secretariat debuted on July 4th. After that start, he still ran a nice race juvie campaign. Today, Laurin would be considered a butcher!

In light of the fact that we have had several close misses (Smarty Jones, Real Quiet) in recent years, I don't think a dramatic shift is needed. If Real Quiet was a hair's breadth away, can it be impossible?
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:11 PM
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The whole idea of the triple crown is to prove the horses ability to win three gruelling races in 1 month. Maybe instead of changing the triple crown to suit modern training and breeding, they should modify the training and breeding to suit the triple crown.
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:17 PM
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Pat Forde is a dope.
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:44 PM
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:35 PM
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To blame The Triple Crown is ridiculously. It's a chain reaction that takes place. The sound breeding has gone downhill as it surrendered to speed at all costs. It has produced brittle runners. Training methods of yesteryear has given way to just keeping them in one piece. In turn they run less races at 2. They run less Triple Crown preps at 3. By the time the Triple Crown series is done those that were brittle begin to breakdown some even before that. The Triple Crown is not the problem. Past winners had the talent and the right foundation that is lacked today.
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