When was the last year this happened?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Most good horses (should) run in lesser prep races to get ready for the bigger races ahead. Like running in the San Felipe before you run in the Santa Anita Derby. Just because a couple of good horses use it for prepping in one particular year doesn't make the race a major event. Is it really on a par with the Beverley D. or the Diana?

If this is the way you feel, you really shouldn't be arguing for the Arkansas Derby to be grade one. It's a prep for a bigger one isn't it? Just as you run in the San Felipe before you run in the SA Derby, you run in the Arkansas Derby before you run in the Kentucky Derby. Is the Arkansas Derby really on a par with the Kentucky Derby or the Travers?

Sorry Brian. Soon as I entered this, I saw your post. Great minds.............

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cardus

My thought -- previously expressed here -- is that no three-year-old races prior to the Kentucky Derby (or Oaks, for that matter) should be Grade One.

That's my belief too.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Cardus

My thought -- previously expressed here -- is that no three-year-old races prior to the Kentucky Derby (or Oaks, for that matter) should be Grade One.

How about limiting Grade 1s to race of national and international significance. Along with the BC races, this list would include:

2yo-Champagne.
2yof-Frizette.
3yo-Triple Crown events, Haskell, Travers.
3yof-KY Oaks, Alabama, Queen Elizabeth II.
Older Dirt: Big Cap, Met Mile, Hollywood Gold Cup, Stephen Foster, Whitney, Woodward, Pacific Classic, JCGC, Cigar Mile.
Older F&M Dirt: Beldame, Spinster.
Older Turf: Arlington Million, Hirsch Classic.
Older F&M Turf: Beverly D, First Lady, Flower Bowl, Matriarch.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

How about limiting Grade 1s to race of national and international significance. Along with the BC races, this list would include:

2yo-Champagne.
2yof-Frizette.
3yo-Triple Crown events, Haskell, Travers.
3yof-KY Oaks, Alabama, Queen Elizabeth II.
Older Dirt: Big Cap, Met Mile, Hollywood Gold Cup, Stephen Foster, Whitney, Woodward, Pacific Classic, JCGC, Cigar Mile.
Older F&M Dirt: Beldame, Spinster.
Older Turf: Arlington Million, Hirsch Classic.
Older F&M Turf: Beverly D, First Lady, Flower Bowl, Matriarch.

No Eastern bias with this list. None.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

No Eastern bias with this list. None.

And unfortunately the best turf race for older males on the east coast was excluded from Grade I consideration on the list.

NT

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

And unfortunately the best turf race for older males on the east coast was excluded from Grade I consideration on the list.

NT

As well as for the females.

I'm all for reducing the number of G1s but that list is definitely way too small.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

And unfortunately the best turf race for older males on the east coast was excluded from Grade I consideration on the list.

NT

Which one did I miss? Man O' War? Manhattan? United Nations? Sword Dancer?

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

No Eastern bias with this list. None.

I'm from Louisiana, so I don't have any dogs in this hunt.