UPDATE: Dunkirk surgery for left hind condylar fracture..

Riot · #1 06-08-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

An Unbridled's Song, late start to his career, lightly raced, trained by Pletcher... a recipe for a short career. Atleast he went out fighting.

Exactly. I was afraid we'd be hearing this today, after that good effort. A shame. What a gorgeous horse, beautiful way of moving at speed.

That continues to prove to me there's more to soundness than conformation - physiology is inherited, too.

#2 06-08-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Exactly. I was afraid we'd be hearing this today, after that good effort. A shame. What a gorgeous horse, beautiful way of moving at speed.

That continues to prove to me there's more to soundness than conformation - physiology is inherited, too.

Nice redboard.

Riot · #3 06-08-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Nice redboard.

Just pointing out me, not CSC? Thanks.

Unfortunately, considering the source, it means nothing

#4 06-08-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Just pointing out me, not CSC? Thanks.

Unfortunately, considering the source, it means nothing

He didn't come out and say he was afraid there would be an announcement of an injury TODAY

Durrrrrrrrrrr. Duh durrrrrrrrrrrr

2Hot4TV · #5 06-09-2009, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He didn't come out and say he was afraid there would be an announcement of an injury TODAY

Durrrrrrrrrrr. Duh durrrrrrrrrrrr

Cant afford your medication this month?

#6 06-09-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Cant afford your medication this month?

Instead of taking pot shots and going completely off-topic in some twisted hurt p.ussy scenario where you try to defend the honor of one of the darted douchebags who used to peruse this site and troll on a daily basis, why don't you contribute to a thread by remaining on topic? Or is that too difficult for you to accomplish, Prince Valiant?

On topic: Dunkirk is done and Riot redboarded an injury.

King Glorious · #7 06-08-2009, 05:19 PM

First one out. The Test of Champions is also the Precursor to Retirements. One day, people will get it.

Oh wait, I already know the responses. It's purely coincidence and horses get injured everyday, even in the barns.

Bobby Fischer · #8 06-08-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

First one out. The Test of Champions is also the Precursor to Retirements. One day, people will get it.

Oh wait, I already know the responses. It's purely coincidence and horses get injured everyday, even in the barns.

They should have 2 good allowance or better 12 furlong races every month.

prudery · #9 06-08-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

First one out. The Test of Champions is also the Precursor to Retirements. One day, people will get it.

Oh wait, I already know the responses. It's purely coincidence and horses get injured everyday, even in the barns.

Do not blame the TC---undertrained stall potatoes do not belong in the TC, so get that ...

A lovely animal overfaced in the TC or elswhere will be vulnerable ...

King Glorious · #10 06-08-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by prudery

Do not blame the TC---undertrained stall potatoes do not belong in the TC, so get that ...

A lovely animal overfaced in the TC or elswhere will be vulnerable ...

I don't blame the TC at all. I agree with what you say here. The problem is that with the way they are trained and raced today, they will continue to be undertrained and asked to do more than they are ready to do. Not more than they are capable of doing but more than they are ready to do. There's a difference. My thing has never been that the TC is too hard or that it should be changed because it's too hard. My thing has been that if they are going to continue to change the way they breed, train, and race the horses, then the races have to be adapted to fit the horses. I'd love it if the horses were adapted to fit the races but that's not the way it goes anymore.

prudery · #11 06-08-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't blame the TC at all. I agree with what you say here. The problem is that with the way they are trained and raced today, they will continue to be undertrained and asked to do more than they are ready to do. Not more than they are capable of doing but more than they are ready to do. There's a difference. My thing has never been that the TC is too hard or that it should be changed because it's too hard. My thing has been that if they are going to continue to change the way they breed, train, and race the horses, then the races have to be adapted to fit the horses. I'd love it if the horses were adapted to fit the races but that's not the way it goes anymore.

That is the way I want it to go, and how many early retirements will influence this...

Lowering the bar, further lowers the product ...

Understand you viewpoint better now ...

Riot · #12 06-08-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Way to go out on a limb there, Darwin.

And you plan your breedings via .... ? There's an awful lot of horse breeders that don't seem to consider career soundness when planning matings.

Riot · #13 06-08-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

The indisputable fact that between 100-200 mare owners plan their matings without regard to Unbridled Song's history of brittle offspring has nothing to do with pointing out that it should not surprise anyone that soundness in a sire has an impact on his offspring. I suspect that you could find this notion in a Genetics 101 textbook.

How dare I point that out! Glad you took it upon yourself to correct me with a rude insult, while reiterating the concept yourself (which is okay, right Darwin?

Linny · #14 06-08-2009, 06:20 PM

That track was rock hard and though it looked like it was harrowed, it was only open about 1.5 inches, according to someone who walked on it.
Others will come out of Saturday's card injured, but if they are less than stakes status we probably won't know about it.

sumitas · #15 06-08-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

That track was rock hard and though it looked like it was harrowed, it was only open about 1.5 inches, according to someone who walked on it.
Others will come out of Saturday's card injured, but if they are less than stakes status we probably won't know about it.

Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?
The 4x5 Raise A Native is never a cross for soundness . That and the hard surface was a recipe for disaster . Hope the other runners on the card are ok .

Edit: Pedigreequery informs that his dam, millionairess Secret Status, has produced 5 foals that have started a total of 13 times . Including the unraced 2004 son of Storm Cat, Objectivity, that sold for $6.3 mil.

hockey2315 · #16 06-08-2009, 11:25 PM

Port Conway Lane · #17 06-08-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?
The 4x5 Raise A Native is never a cross for soundness . That and the hard surface was a recipe for disaster . Hope the other runners on the card are ok .

I think that statement is way too broad.I could probably look in the form tomorrow and find 10 horses on any given card who are bred 3-5x3-5 to Raise A Native. I could never prove how sound any of them are but my point is that breeding is so common I'm sure there have to be some who are sound.It is no different than judging a horses distance ability based only on breeding and ignoring his on track performance.

Too bad about Dunkirk.I know it's easy to say these things happen but it does.At least it didn't occur on the track in front of everyone watching.

Kasept · #18 06-09-2009, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?

You realize they run races outdoors, right?. There was nearly 2 inches of rain that fell in the prior 30 hours to Friday midnight. The crew had already been working for 12 hours when the races started at 11:30 Saturday. They did an unbelievable job getting that track into good and then fast shape. Please try to not let your ridiculous surface agenda spew spill out here. There may be people who actually think there's some credibility to it.

sumitas · #19 06-09-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

You realize they run races outdoors, right?. There was nearly 2 inches of rain that fell in the prior 30 hours to Friday midnight. The crew had already been working for 12 hours when the races started at 11:30 Saturday. They did an unbelievable job getting that track into good and then fast shape. Please try to not let your ridiculous surface agenda spew spill out here. There may be people who actually think there's some credibility to it.

Linny and I agree on the surface conditions . If they can't prepare a softer surface within the environment they should find a surface they can handle . Sounds like you have the surface agenda .