Belmont Stakes Field

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I know breeding doesn't matter once horses have established form but...

none of the horses in the race have went this far, so there is no form for 1 1/2 miles to go on. I trust a son of Birdstone more than one by Unbridled's Song going this distance.

after watching a son of yonaguska hit the board in both classics thus far, you sure you want to go by pedigree?

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Danzig

after watching a son of yonaguska hit the board in both classics thus far, you sure you want to go by pedigree?

Hmmm...well you have a point. But isn't the Belmont traditionally different?

Sprinters/miler pedigrees can win the Kentucky Derby (Funny Cide, War Emblem, Smarty Jones, Big Brown), but they always seem to come up short in the Belmont to horses that were sired by more of a grinding type.

Tiznow was a grinding type of horse...AP Indy regularly won at classic distances and the Belmont...I don't remember what Jazil's sire did, but it seems that any Better Than Honour offspring will like a longer distance....Birdstone was by Grindstone who didn't win flashy, but he looked like the grinder type that could last forever....Sarava was by Wild Again who had won the BCC just like Tiznow.

But when you look at KD winners, like you said they don't necessarily come from long distance type families.

So maybe 10 furlongs is the limit for those sprinter/miler pedigree types, and 12 furlongs might be pushing it?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Hmmm...well you have a point. But isn't the Belmont traditionally different?

Sprinters/miler pedigrees can win the Kentucky Derby (Funny Cide, War Emblem, Smarty Jones, Big Brown), but they always seem to come up short in the Belmont to horses that were sired by more of a grinding type.

Tiznow was a grinding type of horse...AP Indy regularly won at classic distances and the Belmont...I don't remember what Jazil's sire did, but it seems that any Better Than Honour offspring will like a longer distance....Birdstone was by Grindstone who didn't win flashy, but he looked like the grinder type that could last forever....Sarava was by Wild Again who had won the BCC just like Tiznow.

But when you look at KD winners, like you said they don't necessarily come from long distance type families.

So maybe 10 furlongs is the limit for those sprinter/miler pedigree types, and 12 furlongs might be pushing it?

He was a damn good horse. In the exacta 14 out of 15 starts, running against an EXCELLENT crop (1988 3yo's), including wins in the Peter Pan, Dwyer, Super Derby, and 2nds in the BCC and Travers.