Jackson passes on Belmont with Rachel Alexandra

freddymo · #1 05-29-2009, 07:26 PM

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Curlin's effort in the Haskel was his dullest effort all year. He rebounded with a sound effort in the jockey cup gold cup against Lawyer Ron. But his dull effort had to do with his difficulty rebounding from that triple crown series. Now Rachel may be able to handle it better than Curlin because she has alot more bottom to her than Curlin. She raced 6 times as a two year old. However, if Jackson could see a way to run her and win, he would obviously do it. A Belmont victory would stamp her as the greatest filly of all time in most fan's books. A place she may get to anyway. Hard Spun still amazes me. I still can't see how a horse could run those fractions for so friggin long.

Your Super filly while wonderful has never run a 110 beyer

Handicappy · #2 05-29-2009, 07:36 PM

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Your Super filly while wonderful has never run a 110 beyer

Heh, she isn't MY super filly. But if she won the belmont on top of the Preakness she would go down as the greatest ever. And I am so amazed how many Beyer Speed supporters there are when it comes down to defending yourself in a debate. I loved Rags to Riches but felt jilted when she got injured in that race against Lears Princess and never ran again. Let's keep Rachel around awhile.

freddymo · #3 05-29-2009, 07:53 PM

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Heh, she isn't MY super filly. But if she won the belmont on top of the Preakness she would go down as the greatest ever. And I am so amazed how many Beyer Speed supporters there are when it comes down to defending yourself in a debate. I loved Rags to Riches but felt jilted when she got injured in that race against Lears Princess and never ran again. Let's keep Rachel around awhile.

Yeah Personal Ensign's would be second best to Rachel... Go watch her run down Winning Colors and let me know how great Rachel is.....

ateamstupid · #4 05-29-2009, 07:59 PM

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Heh, she isn't MY super filly. But if she won the belmont on top of the Preakness she would go down as the greatest ever. And I am so amazed how many Beyer Speed supporters there are when it comes down to defending yourself in a debate. I loved Rags to Riches but felt jilted when she got injured in that race against Lears Princess and never ran again. Let's keep Rachel around awhile.

Wow. If she beat Mine That Bird again and a bunch of Derby washouts, she'd be the greatest ever?

And another terrible comparison in using Rags to Riches. Rags had what, one up the track start as a two-year-old in June? She had plenty of issues that Rachel doesn't have.

asudevil · #5 05-29-2009, 09:42 PM

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Wow. If she beat Mine That Bird again and a bunch of Derby washouts, she'd be the greatest ever?

And another terrible comparison in using Rags to Riches. Rags had what, one up the track start as a two-year-old in June? She had plenty of issues that Rachel doesn't have.

You're not getting her on Belmont day....get over it! Ask Jerry Brown if he thinks she should run.

ateamstupid · #6 05-29-2009, 10:41 PM

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You're not getting her on Belmont day....get over it! Ask Jerry Brown if he thinks she should run.

I forgot that Jerry Brown is the one and only omniscient immortal God of horse racing.

Danzig · #7 05-30-2009, 09:09 AM

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Heh, she isn't MY super filly. But if she won the belmont on top of the Preakness she would go down as the greatest ever. And I am so amazed how many Beyer Speed supporters there are when it comes down to defending yourself in a debate. I loved Rags to Riches but felt jilted when she got injured in that race against Lears Princess and never ran again. Let's keep Rachel around awhile.

surely not. it's a moot point anyway-but two races don't make a horse the greatest ever.

Handicappy · #8 05-30-2009, 10:56 AM

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surely not. it's a moot point anyway-but two races don't make a horse the greatest ever.

Being that she would be the only Filly to have done that. Yes, those two races would have put her down as the greatest filly ever in most folks books. Maybe not yours but certainly in most people's books.

Danzig · #9 05-30-2009, 11:22 AM

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Being that she would be the only Filly to have done that. Yes, those two races would have put her down as the greatest filly ever in most folks books. Maybe not yours but certainly in most people's books.

who would these 'most people' be? i would think most racing fans who follow the sport would know better. i would expect non-racing fans to not even know who rachel alexandra is-perhaps they would guess she was a russian czarina?

genuine risk remains the best filly in the spring classics, and she's not even the best filly all time.

Handicappy · #10 05-30-2009, 05:45 PM

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who would these 'most people' be? i would think most racing fans who follow the sport would know better. i would expect non-racing fans to not even know who rachel alexandra is-perhaps they would guess she was a russian czarina?

genuine risk remains the best filly in the spring classics, and she's not even the best filly all time.

I didn't know you were the beginning and the end of the subject. No one told me.

ateamstupid · #11 05-30-2009, 05:52 PM

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I didn't know you were the beginning and the end of the subject. No one told me.

You're the one who's making claims about what "most people" would think. Apparently it's fine for you to be the authority on how Rachel would be perceived, but no one else.

Danzig · #12 05-30-2009, 07:02 PM

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I didn't know you were the beginning and the end of the subject. No one told me.

lol
yeah, ok.

at any rate, she's skipping the belmont so she'll have to wait a bit longer for greatest ever status.

besides, i said 'i would think'. that doesn't exactly sound like an emphatic statement, does it?

blackthroatedwind · #13 05-30-2009, 11:41 AM

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Being that she would be the only Filly to have done that. Yes, those two races would have put her down as the greatest filly ever in most folks books. Maybe not yours but certainly in most people's books.

Certainly?

Who knew that you speak for " most people? "

freddymo · #14 05-30-2009, 06:35 PM

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Being that she would be the only Filly to have done that. Yes, those two races would have put her down as the greatest filly ever in most folks books. Maybe not yours but certainly in most people's books.

Please she is beating swill.. I like Rachel and believe she is terrific but the best ever because she beat a midget birdstone colt.. have a heart

Handicappy · #15 05-30-2009, 10:50 PM

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Please she is beating swill.. I like Rachel and believe she is terrific but the best ever because she beat a midget birdstone colt.. have a heart

Freddy, She isn't now in my book but if she entered and won the Belmont and finished out her career with respectability on her own terms, yes I think, that is I THINK, she would go down as the greatest ever by many, many people. Obviously it won't happen, which I am glad about. That is really my only point here. I'm not speaking FOR EVERYONE.