NBA Playoffs

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Well actually that is not true but I honestly dont have the time to explain defensive rotations nor does anyone really want to hear it anyway. You in your own defensive posture wouldn't really listen anyway.

Oh Chuck, you had time to post two more posts and three more paragraphs but you didnt which tells me you really didnt have anything concrete to say. Do your google searches about defense and come back to me. It will prepare you for the next lesson...half court traps.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Carmellos game is pretty much the same as it has always been. He is just actually putting some effort in on the defensive end for a change

I did some research. To borrow your line "do you actually watch the games" Lets check out Carmello's career playoffs stats

Yr Team G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF pts

Career -- 34 34 38.0 0.427 0.400 0.803 2.6 4.6 7.2 2.8 1.1 0.3 2.91 3.60 23.4
This YR 11 11 38.2 0.500 0.488 0.831 1.7 4.6 6.4 4.3 1.8 0.8 2.09 3.80 28.1

08-09 66 66 34.5 0.443 0.371 0.793 1.6 5.2 6.8 3.4 1.1 0.4 3.02 3.00 22.8


How about against LA lakers?
G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF REB APG SPG BPG PPG
08-09 4 4 35.3 .328 .200 .733 1.8 6.0 7.8 4.0 1.2 0.5 14.5

Playoffs 2 2 41 .734 .363 .772 3.5 4.0 7.5 4.0 0.5 1.0 36.5

LA owned him this year during the season. Things are different in the playoffs.






What do you think Chuck? Still just defense? What do you say my man?

[horseofcourse]

LeBron James does guard point guards at times dalakhani. I am not going to say he does it well or anything. IN the NBA finals two years ago, when Tony Parker absolutely torched them every game. LeBron would actually guard Tony Parker at times. Part of this had to do with Larry Hughes' injury that actually sidelined him by the end of the series, and they were left with Eric Snow and Daniel Gibson. But I know he guarded Parker at times that series in the NBA finals. Whether it was a one man zone two years ago I'm not sure of and whether he did it well, I doubt as Parker was finals MVP so doubtful and he didn't do it the whole game...but if you look at film for that entire series, I can guarantee you he guarded Parker at times by plan.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

In the Utah series
Brown was the first guard off the bench in the first four games. Vujacic was second. They switched for the last game. Farmar didn't even get into the last three games. Minutes played:

Series average
Brown-about 17
Vujacic-about 15
Farmar-under 2

In the Houston series
In the first game, Vujacic was the first guard off the bench. Played almost 14 minutes. Brown was second and played 12 1/2. Farmar played just under three. Game two, Farmar was first off the bench and played nearly 18. Game three when Fisher was suspended, Farmar started and went almost 33 minutes. Farmar was a starter in one game and first off the bench in five others.

Series average
Farmar-about 17
Brown-about 14
Vujacic-about 14

So far in the Denver series
Game one, Vujacic was first off the bench
V-13.07
F-9.22
B-6.09

Game two, Brown was first off the bench
B-16.46
F-6.14
V-5.35

What I'm getting at is that Phil has no clue what he's doing. He messes with guys so much that they don't know if they are coming or going. Sure, you want to say that it's good that he does it that way because it keeps all the guys on their toes and ready at all times because you don't know when you will get your number called. But that's not how it really works. You'd like it to since they are professionals but it doesn't. Guys like to know their roles. A guy like Farmar doesn't know from game to game if he's going to play 20 minutes or won't get off the bench. Brown barely gets in the game in the first one and gets almost 17 minutes the next. And you have to feel for Bynum. He doesn't know whether he's coming or going. From night to night, he doesn't know if he's going to start or come off the bench. Doesn't know if he'll get 20-25 minutes or 10-12. Doesn't know if he'll play in the second half of a game or not. The Lakers are as successful as they are because of Kobe Bryant. Plain and simple. Mariano Rivera (that's my name for Jackson) doesn't help things. He throws out weird combinations, doesn't have a regular rotation, doesn't do things to control the momentum of games. He just hopes that Kobe will bail him out night after night and make him look like a genius.

Phil does not have a consistent performer at guard besides
Kobe. And he has no point. Kobe is playing 1,2, and 3. And getting
beat up by Mellow. The Lakers would not have a chance
in this series without Kobe and Gasol. These are the only consistent
performers they have. Bynum is cannot stay with this up tempo game
the Lakers are playing. Ariza is playing fairly well, but he is playing
more at Kobe's position.

Lucky for the Lakers the Nuggets still have the flat headed
Nene and Martin.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

LeBron James does guard point guards at times dalakhani. I am not going to say he does it well or anything. IN the NBA finals two years ago, when Tony Parker absolutely torched them every game. LeBron would actually guard Tony Parker at times. Part of this had to do with Larry Hughes' injury that actually sidelined him by the end of the series, and they were left with Eric Snow and Daniel Gibson. But I know he guarded Parker at times that series in the NBA finals. Whether it was a one man zone two years ago I'm not sure of and whether he did it well, I doubt as Parker was finals MVP so doubtful and he didn't do it the whole game...but if you look at film for that entire series, I can guarantee you he guarded Parker at times by plan.

In a desperate situation with no one else available in a one sided series, they may have tried it. Hell, they were getting killed so i would have tried to. That was not the case the other night and i hope they do the same thing tonight. I invite you to watch the tape from game 1 and give honest feedback as to whether or not anyone was being "guarded".

The original contention was that "lebron can cover 5 positions" which is simply not true as no one was being "guarded" the other night. Barkley and Collins agree with me but chuck knows more than them about basketball because they are only entertainers and not basketball people.

[dalakhani]

What did Trevor Ariza do last night anyway?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I guess the fact that he is scoring more and shooting a better percentage is just an illusion.

You just like to disagree with me. I like that about you.

he was like 12 for 29 last night.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Oh Chuck, you had time to post two more posts and three more paragraphs but you didnt which tells me you really didnt have anything concrete to say. Do your google searches about defense and come back to me. It will prepare you for the next lesson...half court traps.

This is laughable...

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Phil does not have a consistent performer at guard besides
Kobe. And he has no point. Kobe is playing 1,2, and 3. And getting
beat up by Mellow. The Lakers would not have a chance
in this series without Kobe and Gasol. These are the only consistent
performers they have. Bynum is cannot stay with this up tempo game
the Lakers are playing. Ariza is playing fairly well, but he is playing
more at Kobe's position.

Lucky for the Lakers the Nuggets still have the flat headed
Nene and Martin.

That's been Mariano's problem though. I remember a couple of years ago in the playoffs against Phoenix and everyone could see the Lakers held a huge size advantage but instead of playing big and making the Suns adjust to them, Mariano keeps trying to match up with other teams. The Nuggets don't have the size to match up with Bynum, Gasol, and Odom all in there. The Lakers need to take advantage of them and make the Nuggets pay instead of making it easy for them by going small and easier for the Nuggets to defend them. And part of what I'm saying is that they don't have any consistency from the other guards because nobody knows what the hell their role is. It's natural that when one of them is in there, they are trying to play a little bit selfishly and produce because they want to play the next game. It's hard to play when you are constantly worried about making a mistake because you know that mistake could mean you go from 20 minutes to three in the next or in Farmar's case, to a DNP-CD. I also didn't understand why, if you are going to go small and play Gasol at the center and Odom at the power forward, why was Walton ever in there for Ariza? Ariza had it going and there was no reason Walton should have ever checked in for him. Same as when Farmar had it going. Mariano pulled him too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I did some research. To borrow your line "do you actually watch the games" Lets check out Carmello's career playoffs stats

Yr Team G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF pts

Career -- 34 34 38.0 0.427 0.400 0.803 2.6 4.6 7.2 2.8 1.1 0.3 2.91 3.60 23.4
This YR 11 11 38.2 0.500 0.488 0.831 1.7 4.6 6.4 4.3 1.8 0.8 2.09 3.80 28.1

08-09 66 66 34.5 0.443 0.371 0.793 1.6 5.2 6.8 3.4 1.1 0.4 3.02 3.00 22.8


How about against LA lakers?
G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF REB APG SPG BPG PPG
08-09 4 4 35.3 .328 .200 .733 1.8 6.0 7.8 4.0 1.2 0.5 14.5

Playoffs 2 2 41 .734 .363 .772 3.5 4.0 7.5 4.0 0.5 1.0 36.5

LA owned him this year during the season. Things are different in the playoffs.






What do you think Chuck? Still just defense? What do you say my man?

perhaps the supporting cast and having a true playmaker to play with has something to do with his numbers improving? Perhaps since he is playing meaningful games instead of garbage time games his game is more effective? His game is the same. Ask Peegarden who told him he was wrong about Anthony? Before the season. Without Doug Collins help. By the way he was 12 for 29 last night. he shot worse but they won. Maybe that is the answer?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

In a desperate situation with no one else available in a one sided series, they may have tried it. Hell, they were getting killed so i would have tried to. That was not the case the other night and i hope they do the same thing tonight. I invite you to watch the tape from game 1 and give honest feedback as to whether or not anyone was being "guarded".

The original contention was that "lebron can cover 5 positions" which is simply not true as no one was being "guarded" the other night. Barkley and Collins agree with me but chuck knows more than them about basketball because they are only entertainers and not basketball people.

Please stop trying to explain away your being wrong. So another poster brings up another time LeBron guarded a point but that doesnt count because they were desperate? He guards the PG. Get over it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

What did Trevor Ariza do last night anyway?

Hit a few open jumpers and blew the game by dropping the ball after the jump ball....

[Cannon Shell]

Only about an hour away from Lebron guarding a point guard...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

perhaps the supporting cast and having a true playmaker to play with has something to do with his numbers improving? Perhaps since he is playing meaningful games instead of garbage time games his game is more effective? His game is the same. Ask Peegarden who told him he was wrong about Anthony? Before the season. Without Doug Collins help. By the way he was 12 for 29 last night. he shot worse but they won. Maybe that is the answer?

Cant you ever be big enough to admit that you are wrong about ANYTHING?

You said the only thing that changed was defense. I disagreed and used facts and stats to back up my point.

Regardless of reason, he has stepped his game up this playoffs and especially this series.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hit a few open jumpers and blew the game by dropping the ball after the jump ball....

made four steals and scored 21 points. Not as good as bricking the game winning shot like the great delonte west, but certainly in the same realm which is all I said before the series started.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Only about an hour away from Lebron guarding a point guard...

You mean playing a one man zone? cant wait. I love watching lebron!

[Cannon Shell]

From John Hollander piece on ESPN

Apparently, Cavs coach Mike Brown knew this, because Wednesday night he tried changing the matchups to produce a new result. It worked for a half. He put LeBron on Rafer Alston, stuck Delonte West on Hedo Turkoglu and had Mo Williams check Courtney Lee.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Cant you ever be big enough to admit that you are wrong about ANYTHING?

You said the only thing that changed was defense. I disagreed and used facts and stats to back up my point.

Regardless of reason, he has stepped his game up this playoffs and especially this series.

Pot meet kettle. Stop trying to say that Lebron doesnt match up against PG's. I am not wrong. He does. Why wont you admit it? It makes you look a little silly trying to reason away the fact is that he does. He may even guard Howard tonight. Would that be ironic? Prove my point in two games?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

From John Hollander piece on ESPN

Apparently, Cavs coach Mike Brown knew this, because Wednesday night he tried changing the matchups to produce a new result. It worked for a half. He put LeBron on Rafer Alston, stuck Delonte West on Hedo Turkoglu and had Mo Williams check Courtney Lee.

Who the hell is john hollander and how does he have more credibility than barkley or doug collins?

More importantly...who the hell is john hollander?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pot meet kettle. Stop trying to say that Lebron doesnt match up against PG's. I am not wrong. He does. Why wont you admit it? It makes you look a little silly trying to reason away the fact is that he does. He may even guard Howard tonight. Would that be ironic? Prove my point in two games?

Do you want me to pull out the original quotes chuck?

And you still havent refuted the anthony stats. You said he hasnt stepped up but the stats say he has.

What gives? Do you deny the stats mr kettle?