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I'm sure you've figured out by now that getting around all these annoying 'obstacles' is what makes the game so hard to beat/resist. Of course, just once it'd be nice to get final odds the same as start of race odds. 
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05-21-2009, 10:28 PM
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05-22-2009, 10:53 AM
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You guys seem to think this is a Penn National issue, but it is not. It could happen anywhere. It happened at Hollywood just last week, and has happened at other tracks before. It is a tote problem, not a specific track problem. This game has enough problems without having to worry if your winning ticket is actually a winner.
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05-22-2009, 12:11 PM
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CJ is right. I'm surprised nobody here seemed to know, or care, a thing about this. It's not always about the specific the directly affects us.....and certainly in this case the general can just as easily be the specific.
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05-22-2009, 12:28 PM
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I think people are probably just so used to getting fugged over by every company and government agency at every possible opportunity, things like this just aren't that outrageous anymore.
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05-22-2009, 12:36 PM
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The other thing is and I think Bigs mentioned it. What can we/are we supposed to do about it. We can cry and write letters all we want, the only probably effective measure is to boycott the track. All that would do is negatively affect and hurt the game/sport we love so much. I think we have all learned by now, that the majority of the game doesn't care about the fans and bettors.
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10-27-2010, 12:40 AM
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I was just recreational wagering at Penn National with limited prior background other than the DRF. Even then, as the races ran things didn't seem to play according to Hoyle on the track. Just a gut feeling while watching at the time. Then a couple years later, this story broke: 7 plead guilty to race-fixing in Pa. Two owners, five riders at Penn National face fines, up to 5-year terms Horse Racing December 01, 2000 Jay Apperson,SUN STAFF http://articles.baltimoresun.com/200...s-horse-racing Authorities said owners George D. Berryhill and Neil McElwee selected races to fix and provided money to jockey Ramon Pena, who then offered other jockeys payments of $500 to $1,000 to hold back favored horses from finishing in the money. This allowed the owners to place exacta or trifecta bets on other horses, knowing they could collect on the long shots. Late this last July of 2010, this story broke: DELAHOUSSAYE ARRESTED IN PENNSYLVANIA By Ray Paulick Pennsylvania-based Thoroughbred trainer Darrel Delahoussaye was arrested by State Police Wednesday morning and charged with several felonies and misdemeanors alleging theft by deception, illegally administering drugs to racehorses, rigging a publicly exhibited contest and tampering with physical evidence in an investigation that began last fall. http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/de...-pennsylvania/ I haven't bet Penn National since those trips to Harrisburg, and now I'd load up on a Jai-Alai game before I'd think about placing a $2 wager at that track.
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10-27-2010, 04:10 AM
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More egregious than the occasional race-fixing scandal is 31% takeout on tris and supers.
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05-22-2009, 03:26 AM
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Yes, I actually bet. I do care, but Penn National is so far off my radar, that I don't care. I wouldn't have known anything even happened there if not for you caring about it. I have a question for you. If I did care about what happens at Penn National, what do you suggest I do? Sharing my outrage on a horsey message board is not going to change a thing.
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05-22-2009, 05:52 AM
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Tote malfunction prompts refunds at Penn National
A malfunctioning router at the communications hub for United Tote in Hillsboro, Oregon, led to betting pools remaining open following the start of the second race at Penn National Race Course on Wednesday night, a tote official said. After discovering the software failure, Penn National management decided to refund the approximately $152,000 wagered on the race rather than going through the time-intensive process of figuring out which tickets were purchased before the race began, said Chris McErlean, vice president of racing for Penn National. McErlean said the stewards at the Grantville, Pennsylvania, track realized there was a problem when they could not close and lock the pools with the button from their console. He said they immediately called the mutuels department to report the problem. The tote officials on site also could not lock the pools for the race. Twodoorsdown, owned by Galby Stable and trained by Michael Salvaggio Jr., won the $5,000 claiming race. “We were potentially looking at significant amounts wagered past post,” McErlean said. “We felt it was fairest to declare the race a no-contest.” —John Scheinman
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