Rachel ran a good race, but...

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Friesan Fire is this year's Cowtown Cat. Anyone that gave him a shot either in the Derby or, laughably, the Preakness really needs to consider giving up the game.

As for PTN, he did his job by hitting the board in the Derby. Sent all the Beyerites into heavy SPIN mode.

How exactly did his Derby do that? He ran the same figure he has been running all year.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

How exactly did his Derby do that? He ran the same figure he has been running all year.

Then he must've been fast enough to hit the board that day-- as he ran faster than horses that were previously faster than he was. What a conundrum. And, of course, the claim was that he wouldn't hit the board. Simple as that, Bro.

You should really stop by more often. It's brutal here (without you).

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Then he must've been fast enough to hit the board that day-- as he ran faster than horses that were previously faster than he was. What a conundrum. And, of course, the claim was that he wouldn't hit the board. Simple as that, Bro.

You should really stop by more often. It's brutal here (without you).

The race certainly changed when I Want Revenge scratched, and Dunkirk and Friesan Fire basically were no shows. Without those guys, there weren't many left that would above him. Even then, even the most novice handicapper probably realizes by now a mid 90s synthetic figure is probably as good as 100 on dirt.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The race certainly changed when I Want Revenge scratched, and Dunkirk and Friesan Fire basically were no shows. Without those guys, there weren't many left that would above him. Even then, even the most novice handicapper probably realizes by now a mid 90s synthetic figure is probably as good as 100 on dirt.

Yeah

The point was never made that this was an exceptional horse but only one that tries hard. There were some, however, who made it a point to base their wagering around this horse NOT hitting the board. Whatever the situation, when he did so, they were exposed; and went to great lengths to 'explain' this.

P.S. we both knew that Friesan Fire would be a no show, right?

[cmorioles]

I never considered FF a contender with his cushy trip win followed by a 7 week layoff.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Yeah

The point was never made that this was an exceptional horse but only one that tries hard. There were some, however, who made it a point to base their wagering around this horse NOT hitting the board. Whatever the situation, when he did so, they were exposed; and went to great lengths to 'explain' this.

P.S. we both knew that Friesan Fire would be a no show, right?

I really have no idea why you insist on continuing with this buffoonery. Surely you realize that Pioneer of the Nile didn't run particularly well in the Derby and then he failed to show at all this weekend. Surely you understand racing well enough that you can't possibly believe the jibberish you continue to spew about how Pioneer of the Nile supposedly proved all his critics wrong at Churchill Downs. You can't possibly believe this deliberately irrational crap that you write here day after day.

Honestly, what you are doing would be akin to me making post after post here about how Saturday's performance by Pioneer of the Nile perfectly displayed his abilities.

Move on.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I really have no idea why you insist on continuing with this buffoonery. Surely you realize that Pioneer of the Nile didn't run particularly well in the Derby and then he failed to show at all this weekend. Surely you understand racing well enough that you can't possibly believe the jibberish you continue to spew about how Pioneer of the Nile supposedly proved all his critics wrong at Churchill Downs. You can't possibly believe this deliberately irrational crap that you write here day after day.

Honestly, what you are doing would be akin to me making post after post here about how Saturday's performance by Pioneer of the Nile perfectly displayed his abilities.

Move on.

You (and Beyer) were the one(s) that went on a limb that this horse wouldn't hit the board in the Derby. That the way to play the Derby was by not including this horse in any wager. This didn't turn out to be the case. But, you, apparently, felt the need to go on the offensive and try to convince us that the horse didn't really run well. And this continued after the Preakness. I mean, there are many ways the horse didn't run well, I suppose, but since he ran 2nd in the Derby, you were wrong. Nothing wrong with that as we're all wrong, more often than not. Whether the horse is good to your standards is really irrelevant. After all, you were very impressed by Imperial Council in the Gotham.

I'll stop pointing out the fact that the horse ran 2nd in the Derby just as soon as you (and your crew) stop pointing that he's not fast enough. The 1st part is a fact; the 2nd is irrelevant, given your initial claim.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You (and Beyer) were the one(s) that went on a limb that this horse wouldn't hit the board in the Derby. That the way to play the Derby was by not including this horse in any wager. This didn't turn out to be the case. But, you, apparently, felt the need to go on the offensive and try to convince us that the horse didn't really run well. And this continued after the Preakness. I mean, there are many ways the horse didn't run well, I suppose, but since he ran 2nd in the Derby, you were wrong. Nothing wrong with that as we're all wrong, more often than not. Whether the horse is good to your standards is really irrelevant. After all, you were very impressed by Imperial Council in the Gotham.

I'll stop pointing out the fact that the horse ran 2nd in the Derby just as soon as you (and your crew) stop pointing that he's not fast enough. The 1st part is a fact; the 2nd is irrelevant, given your initial claim.

He has now run once on a dry dirt track.....and finished 10th beaten a city block. As soon as I figure out that I was wrong I will let you know. Please stand by.

He lost the Derby by seven lengths. You are conveniently deciding that since no horse, save Mine That Bird, ran a step that day that he somehow ran well despite losing by a margin that rarely gets a finisher better than 6th ( or worse ).

Sorry if you don't like my logic. Tough sh it.