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Old 05-17-2009, 08:47 AM
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perhaps you should explain to him that races are just as good, as exciting, when two good ones face off with just one trophy on the line. or even when it's just a 10k purse...
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Old 05-17-2009, 08:49 AM
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You're thoughts are just what I needed to hear. Thank you for slapping me back to reality. I'm changing my avatar to honor you and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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Old 05-17-2009, 08:50 AM
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You're thoughts are just what I needed to hear. Thank you for slapping me back to reality. I'm changing my avatar to honor you and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
who's that? certainly not the danzig i met in ky a few years ago!!
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Old 05-17-2009, 08:53 AM
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Having a Triple Crown winner will not save horse racing.

Having a Triple Crown on the line does more for horse racing than most other events in the game throughout the year. Last year is a good example... Big Brown's Belmont versus Curlin almost all year.

And the thought that a TC winner will dumb-down the following years Triple Crown because "it won't likely happen again" is ridiculous.
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Old 05-17-2009, 08:54 AM
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Having a Triple Crown winner will not save horse racing.

Having a Triple Crown on the line does more for horse racing than most other events in the game throughout the year. Last year is a good example... Big Brown's Belmont versus Curlin almost all year.

And the thought that a TC winner will dumb-down the following years Triple Crown because "it won't likely happen again" is ridiculous.

i've read it-maybe plonk wrote it...
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:08 AM
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I think I understand the point he was tring to get across. Maybe he's right with most of the steam being taken out of the TC and Belmonts Stakes sails. But yesterday's race was so exciting that maybe some of the people that only watch the TC will be intrigued enough to watch Rachel Alexandra whenever and wherever she runs next.
Maybe it wasn't the best result for the near term (meaning next 3 weeks), but in the long run that race/performance could do nothing but help the game.
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Old 05-17-2009, 12:53 PM
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:09 AM
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If RA's not in the Preakness who's to say the pace winds up as fast as it did?

It likely winds up much slower and a lot of the stalker and mid-pack types are less likely to get baked.

Big Drama would have run a ton better without her in there .. and FF, POTN, GQ, and Take The Points all wouldn't have got totally baked as bad as they did .. and Musket Man would have probably had the edge and won .. he also got the setup .. but not as kind as MTB got it.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:17 AM
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thing is, the 'need' for a tc winner to save the sport is a falsehood. now, had MTB managed to win it all, he may have helped a bit-but most years, you have a colt who would win-how would having a horse win the tc and get whisked off to stud help the sport at all? it wouldn't. the press needs to quit baking this up as some kind of last ditch effort to save the sport each year. the sport isn't on life support. if, every year, the sport is dying-it makes me wonder how we've survived since affirmed won the belmont. it's certainly the longest death i've ever witnessed. yes, attendance is down. but what about handle? why do we read so much about tracks going down...but you don't see much about tracks like oaklawn, which had a great year this year-and boosted purses? twice.

if you want to grow the sport, take your kids...your family, and your friends. do like i did yesterday, get others to watch, show some excitement. talk it up. hell, i've got folks watching hockey that never did before-and they ask me about horse racing now. i think i'm getting a group together to go to la downs in a couple months.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:18 AM
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If RA's not in the Preakness who's to say the pace winds up as fast as it did?

It likely winds up much slower and a lot of the stalker and mid-pack types are less likely to get baked.

Big Drama would have run a ton better without her in there .. and FF, POTN, GQ, and Take The Points all wouldn't have got totally baked as bad as they did .. and Musket Man would have probably had the edge and won .. he also got the setup .. but not as kind as MTB got it.
very true. people are assuming that had rachel not run, mtb would be the obvious winner. but the whole complexion would have changed. and maybe not to his advantage.

i think musket man should not run past 1 1/8th. he's outrun his pedigree, but i think a bit shorter would give him wins instead of shows.
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Old 05-17-2009, 01:37 PM
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If RA's not in the Preakness who's to say the pace winds up as fast as it did?

It likely winds up much slower and a lot of the stalker and mid-pack types are less likely to get baked.

Big Drama would have run a ton better without her in there .. and FF, POTN, GQ, and Take The Points all wouldn't have got totally baked as bad as they did .. and Musket Man would have probably had the edge and won .. he also got the setup .. but not as kind as MTB got it.
Doug,

Back in the other direction, note that Rachel in the race kept Hull out. So while the pace may not have been as fast without her, it may well have been with Hull...
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:07 AM
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Having a Triple Crown winner will not save horse racing.

Having a Triple Crown on the line does more for horse racing than most other events in the game throughout the year. Last year is a good example... Big Brown's Belmont versus Curlin almost all year.

And the thought that a TC winner will dumb-down the following years Triple Crown because "it won't likely happen again" is ridiculous.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...e-crown-winner


Now what? Will mainstream America care any longer when a horse attempts to sweep the Triple Crown or will they say, "Well, it's been done, so it's no big deal anymore." As long as it seems an improbable, almost unattainable, quest, people will flock to Belmont Park hoping to be there when it is finally accomplished. Everyone wants to be a part of history.
Following the Triple Crown sweeps of Secretariat, Seattle Slew, and Affirmed from 1973-'78, was there really that much buzz over Spectacular Bid's attempt in '79 or had people become blasé about it and were expecting it to happen again?
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That's Glen Danzig. Of heavy metal fame. He's a muscle man with the height of a jockey.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:08 AM
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That's Glen Danzig. Of heavy metal fame. He's a muscle man with the height of a jockey.
i believe his one claim to fame is the song 'mother'. but i got my name from the horse-who is much better looking in my opinion!!
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