Ramon Dominguez at Belmont

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I won't respond directly because I just don't think that NYRA should take races off the turf on days when their dirt track is fast or something close to it. And, the condition of the turf on Sunday, visually, was such that it's hard to get someone to buy your argument.

Honestly, I am not interested in your constant digressions that attempt to divert us from the topic at hand.

So, you liked how the course looked visually? You do understand the whole water-sun-vegetation thing.....right? Of course it looked good silly....we had over a week of heavy rains. How do you think grass is supposed to look after that? You ignore how the course played.....over three seconds slow....but did like it lush greeness? Great.

[philcski]

How's about for people like me who hate turf racing they never run another race on it again?

I'd be a lot richer if they didn't.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Honestly, I am not interested in your constant digressions that attempt to divert us from the topic at hand.

So, you liked how the course looked visually? You do understand the whole water-sun-vegetation thing.....right? Of course it looked good silly....we had over a week of heavy rains. How do you think grass is supposed to look after that? You ignore how the course played.....over three seconds slow....but did like it lush greeness? Great.

I'm not talking about the lushness or greenness of the course but rather the KICKBACK. Additionally, did you notice any horses having traction problems out there? Your contention is that the course is overladen with moisture. And it follows that the concern is that the course will be eaten up (and, that it won't be safe). Now, I've seen races run other courses where sod is flying everywhere and horses are losing action. There's a minimum of the former and none of the latter in that race. Moreover, the pacesetter was a very comfortable 2nd in the race. Usually, on very heavy (water logged) turf courses, the speed completely collapses.

Doesn't matter to me either way; I play other tracks.

But if I were a horseman with horses prepared for the turf and NYRA was giving my purse money away in 3-4 horse dirt races, I'd be pissed.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm not talking about the lushness or greenness of the course but rather the KICKBACK. Additionally, did you notice any horses having traction problems out there? Your contention is that the course is overladen with moisture. And it follows that the concern is that the course will be eaten up (and, that it won't be safe). Now, I've seen races run other courses where sod is flying everywhere and horses are losing action. There's a minimum of the former and none of the latter in that race. Moreover, the pacesetter was a very comfortable 2nd in the race. Usually, on very heavy (water logged) turf courses, the speed completely collapses.

I beg to differ on a few points. First of all, in my experience, speed has always seemed very dangerous on boggy courses. On Sunday's race, the field was extremely gapped out, which is hardly common in turf races. Now, maybe the field had something to do with that, but it still seemed somewhat condition related in my opinion.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I beg to differ on a few points. First of all, in my experience, speed has always seemed very dangerous on boggy courses. On Sunday's race, the field was extremely gapped out, which is hardly common in turf races. Now, maybe the field had something to do with that, but it still seemed somewhat condition related in my opinion.

Why is it significant that the races were slower then they should be? That isn't the point the point is if the course was exposed to long term harm or was unsafe for horses and jocks.. The speed of the course is not significant.. When its super fast do we say OMG lets take the races off the turf because its a speed way and the mile and a 1/16th time is 1.36?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Why is it significant that the races were slower then they should be? That isn't the point the point is if the course was exposed to long term harm or was unsafe for horses and jocks.. The speed of the course is not significant.. When its super fast do we say OMG lets take the races off the turf because its a speed way and the mile and a 1/16th time is 1.36?

Come on Freddy.

[rgustafson]

Back on point, Lezcano riding the Belmont meet bodes ill for Ramon.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by rgustafson

Back on point, Lezcano riding the Belmont meet bodes ill for Ramon.

Lezcano's only riding on days where Monmouth is dark. He's riding full-time at Mth.

NT