Transcript of Zayat, Allen on HRTV

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

[size="4"][color="DarkRed"]Conley: So you will in fact enter Mine That Bird plus one other colt. Who is that colt, Mark?

Allen: "He's an A.P. Indy horse me and Joe Merrick are partners on. You know he's still a maiden but this horse does have talent. He's just coming into himself like Mine That Bird was."

Conley: What's his name?

Allen: "It's Indy Express."

Conley: Indy Express?

He's run 9 times and has 1 second and 1 third.

The 2nd place finish was at Remington Park.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's run 9 times and has 1 second and 1 third.

The 2nd place finish was at Remington Park.

lol
they need to re-do the entry rules up there. only three horses currently on the preakness list have a win in their last start-and now they're going to run this guy rather than a gr 1 winner? this is sick.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
they need to re-do the entry rules up there. only three horses currently on the preakness list have a win in their last start-and now they're going to run this guy rather than a gr 1 winner? this is sick.

Allen told the NY Times tonight that he is not going to run Indy anymore.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Allen told the NY Times tonight that he is not going to run Indy anymore.

good!
i wonder if some members of the md jockey club called him and asked him to knock it off? they can't have been thrilled at the prospect of having a maiden rather than a top notch filly who's thought by many to be the best 3 yo currently running.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Danzig

good!
i wonder if some members of the md jockey club called him and asked him to knock it off? they can't have been thrilled at the prospect of having a maiden rather than a top notch filly who's thought by many to be the best 3 yo currently running.

Who knows, but perhaps Allen is starting to realize his 10 minutes of fame would have been better spent trying to get his horse's face on a bottle of beer.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
they need to re-do the entry rules up there. only three horses currently on the preakness list have a win in their last start-and now they're going to run this guy rather than a gr 1 winner? this is sick.

What? Like missing Guadalcanal try to break his maiden??

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

What? Like missing Guadalcanal try to break his maiden??

just thinking there should be more involved on who gets to enter than basing it purely on who is tc nominated. thousands of horses get nominated every year-but when it comes down to it, i think a grade one performer should get precedence over a hors that was nominated, but hasn't actually done anything. why would a horse luv gov deserve an entry over the oaks winner?

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's run 9 times and has 1 second and 1 third.

The 2nd place finish was at Remington Park.

Last 3 beyers: 62 71 63......Of course we know know that Beyers mean nothing. A horse with a lifetime top of 81 just won the Derby.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's run 9 times and has 1 second and 1 third.

The 2nd place finish was at Remington Park.

http://cristblog.drf.com/files/indyexpress.pdf

Nice piece by Crist outlining the patheticness of these jokers. I knew I recognized the name Indy Express- I bet him on Apr 10th at LS moving back to the turf and he ran like the no talent bum he is.

[ateamstupid]

As much as Jackson/Asshead's purchasing of RA makes her hard to root for, this is chickenshit.

[horseofcourse]

So Mark Allen is the first imbecile to own a race horse...really? First of all he did not invent the TC nominating system. He had nothing at all to do with that. Perhaps he did in all your wild imaginations, but my guess is that TC nominating system was in place before he ever became involved with a TC horse. Mark Allen did not purchase a non-nominated TC horse for 10 million dollars. He did not do that. He saw his 50-1 no chance horse win the Ky Derby with by all accounts a great ride by his jockey. In fact, it was his jockey who got all the credit and his horse pretty much zero credit. A couple days after the Derby, his jockey who fit well on his Ky Derby horse by all credible evidence tells him he is off the horse in the Preakness. A pretty much unprecedented move in the last 65 years of TC horse racing...a Derby winning Jockey opting off the horse for the Preakness to ride another.

I don't know this guy from Adam, by all accounts he is a complete jerk and his moves here seem a bit ridiculous without question. But pardon me for feeling a bit sorry for the guy. A jockey gives his horse the ride of his life in a completely different style from all his other races, and is informed he will not ride him in the Preakness...the only horse in the world with a chance at a TC will not have the jockey who gave him a perfect ride. Again, pardon me for pretty much understanding the guys desperation. The rules allowed him the chance to keep his jockey, and he looked into it. I see this as exactly the same as entering a rabbit. You're acting WITHIN the rules to give your horse an advantage.

This is a complete non story. Zayat is a big boy and can do whatever the heck he wants. He is the one who went public with all this stuff...not Allen. Jackson is the one who bought the 10 million dollar non-TC nominated horse...not Allen. Jerk or not, the owners of Mine That Bird losing their Ky Derby winning jockey is simply not a common occurrence. They went a bit nuts...big deal.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

So Mark Allen is the first imbecile to own a race horse...really? First of all he did not invent the TC nominating system. He had nothing at all to do with that. Perhaps he did in all your wild imaginations, but my guess is that TC nominating system was in place before he ever became involved with a TC horse. Mark Allen did not purchase a non-nominated TC horse for 10 million dollars. He did not do that. He saw his 50-1 no chance horse win the Ky Derby with by all accounts a great ride by his jockey. In fact, it was his jockey who got all the credit and his horse pretty much zero credit. A couple days after the Derby, his jockey who fit well on his Ky Derby horse by all credible evidence tells him he is off the horse in the Preakness. A pretty much unprecedented move in the last 65 years of TC horse racing...a Derby winning Jockey opting off the horse for the Preakness to ride another.

I don't know this guy from Adam, by all accounts he is a complete jerk and his moves here seem a bit ridiculous without question. But pardon me for feeling a bit sorry for the guy. A jockey gives his horse the ride of his life in a completely different style from all his other races, and is informed he will not ride him in the Preakness...the only horse in the world with a chance at a TC will not have the jockey who gave him a perfect ride. Again, pardon me for pretty much understanding the guys desperation. The rules allowed him the chance to keep his jockey, and he looked into it. I see this as exactly the same as entering a rabbit. You're acting WITHIN the rules to give your horse an advantage.

This is a complete non story. Zayat is a big boy and can do whatever the heck he wants. He is the one who went public with all this stuff...not Allen. Jackson is the one who bought the 10 million dollar non-TC nominated horse...not Allen. Jerk or not, the owners of Mine That Bird losing their Ky Derby winning jockey is simply not a common occurrence. They went a bit nuts...big deal.

jocks leave horses for others all the time. in this case, the owner went overboard about it. most just call other short guys til they get a rider. it's the first time in 30-odd years of watching racing that i've seen someone actually attempt to keep another horse out of the gate so they can keep their jock.
running a rabbit is to help out your second horse, not to keep another completely out of the race. there absolutely is a difference. this isn't a matter of may the best horse win regardless of race tactics, this is may the best horse not even be entered.
i'm glad it's all settled now.
and you mentioned about jackson buying a horse for the preakness--allen also dug deep to buy MTB. not as deep, but they both did the same thing.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Danzig

jocks leave horses for others all the time. in this case, the owner went overboard about it. most just call other short guys til they get a rider. it's the first time in 30-odd years of watching racing that i've seen someone actually attempt to keep another horse out of the gate so they can keep their jock.
running a rabbit is to help out your second horse, not to keep another completely out of the race. there absolutely is a difference. this isn't a matter of may the best horse win regardless of race tactics, this is may the best horse not even be entered.
i'm glad it's all settled now.
and you mentioned about jackson buying a horse for the preakness--allen also dug deep to buy MTB. not as deep, but they both did the same thing.

ARe you honestly comparing a jock leaving a Ky Derby winning horse running in the Preakness to a jock leaving a 7k claiming race?? Seriously?? Jackson and Allen did the same thing?? Seriously?? I was under the impression Allen bought a gelding last year and his horse has no problem entering the Derby or Preakness, his horse is not a future mate for Curlin and was actually nominated to the TC. He did not buy a horse mid TC that wasn't nominated for the races.

You're doing some serious reaching.

[Payson Dave]

Lotta talk about Sportsmanship in this current thread.... however in reviewing "The Big Contest Thread" (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...=26156&page=19) it would seem that in at least some horseracing contests it is apparently ok for "Sportsmanship" to take a back seat to "Do Whatever It Takes To Win"....seems that Hossy insured his win by using hrfans picks to insure that he would not lose the contest ... he certainly was not lacking in support in that less than sporting decision...

Originally Posted by philcski

No, actually that would be a good strategy by Hoss since he has the lead, but he's too classy for that.

Me, I might do that

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

you'd never be as pissed at him if he does as i will if he doesn't.

Originally Posted by herkhorse

Hoss, I'll send you five bucks if you use his picks.

Originally Posted by 3kings

I'm in for $20.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There are no rules in a knife fight.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

1. 4 Laureldean Gale
2. 7 No Lien here
3. 6 Coach Butts
4. 1 Knock Around Guy
5. 10 Bullara
6. 1 Entry
7. 7 Broadway Producer
8. 7 Ichabod Crane
9. 9 Body Blows


When this thing first started, people were telling me if I got a lead, to just take his picks on the final day, and it would be over. I thought about it, but most of the time, that's just not my style.

It's been a tough week, one which I am glad is over and while I'm not blaming my poor performance on anything, my mind has just not been in this contest. I think my results speak volumes to that.

Around Friday, after days of watching him talk sh.it I decided that when I came back to get the lead, I would use his picks on Sunday and here they are. I figure it's a pretty appropriate way for him to leave here. I'm sure many will look at me as taking the easy way out and I am. I haven't been into this all week and I wanted no part of handicapping last night. So I didn't.

Sorry to anyone who was looking forward to tracking something today. And I'm really sorry for the spectacle this whole thing has become. In the end, I did what I wanted to. And I'm totally fine with the way it's ending.

Originally Posted by TheSpyder

I got dibs on the movie rights for this.

No shame Hoss, it's a contest and you play to win. That's what it is all about.

It's been a hell of alot of fun to watch.

Originally Posted by 3kings

Congrats Hossy, thank you for making the welfare of us all a top priority.

Originally Posted by Kasept

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Congrats Hoss!



As for you HR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwnqqj5Q1BU

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Given the situation, I think I would've played it the same way. Way to go Hossy!

Originally Posted by Danzig

congrats on the win hoss. we knew there was no way you'd let that clown beat you.

Originally Posted by docicu3

Seems somehow like you did...





Fair and square......

Here is one poster who does seem to appreciate Sportsmanship though...

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

what a disappointment. I would say $5 penalty against DaHoss for unsportsmanlike conduct, and repeat final round.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

ARe you honestly comparing a jock leaving a Ky Derby winning horse running in the Preakness to a jock leaving a 7k claiming race?? Seriously?? Jackson and Allen did the same thing?? Seriously?? I was under the impression Allen bought a gelding last year and his horse has no problem entering the Derby or Preakness, his horse is not a future mate for Curlin and was actually nominated to the TC. He did not buy a horse mid TC that wasn't nominated for the races.

You're doing some serious reaching.

who said anything about 7k claimers? not i. i seem to recall a big jockey to-do not long ago, regarding dunkirk and pioneer of the nile. matter of fact, i don't think dunkirk has had the same jock throughout his brief career. and yes, jackson and allen both spent more money than most folks see over several years' time to buy what they thought was a good horse, and a good investment. has nothing to do with nominations.