Rachel Alexandra sale pending; Preakness possible?

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Assuming Borel has his choice in mounts, he takes the filly you'd think. So, has a Derby winner ever had his jockey on another horse in the Preakness?

You can't pass up a chance at the Triple Crown..Triple Crown is once in a lifetime opportunity. Who knows how many more chances Borel will have?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

You can't pass up a chance at the Triple Crown..Triple Crown is once in a lifetime opportunity. Who knows how many more chances Borel will have?

Once thing's for certain... this situation doesn't occur too frequently.


Probably not many, because according to some people around here he's a low percentage jockey

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by philcski

Once thing's for certain... this situation doesn't occur too frequently.


Probably not many, because according to some people around here he's a low percentage jockey

A lot of high percentage jockeys never win the Derby

[philcski]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

A lot of high percentage jockeys never win the Derby

I'm fully aware of that. That wasn't directed to you though- apologies for the confusion.

[Danzig]

calvin has the chance to win the preakness on the best horse he's ever ridden...or go for the tc on a horse who probably hasn't got much chance to do so.

it'd be a tough call to make i would think.

you take the better horse. rachel is it. the chances of mine that bird winning out is somewhere between exceedingly slim and none. lol

i'd love to have the chance to make that choice tho!!!

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Even if he thinks Rachel is better? Isn't the point to put yourself in the best position to win?

I thought I heard if she ran in the Belmont, and a TC was on the line, he'd still take her. Did someone put words in his mouth or did Calvin say that? I'm in a foul mood about her leaving Wiggins but leaving Calvin would just be beyond wrong. I'm gonna guess he goes with her in the Preakness should he be asked to choose but for all we know, them that shall not be named will just grab somebody else who has a higher tooth-to-mouth ratio that our dear Calvin. Why stop now Jess?

Is there a shot we can get 14 in the Preakness? If so, no Rachel no matter how bad he wants it.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Even if he thinks Rachel is better? Isn't the point to put yourself in the best position to win?

He has a chance at immortality though. I guess both choices have their consequences.

If it rains and Mine That Bird wins without Borel on board...he might regret it for the rest of his life.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

He has a chance at immortality though. I guess both choices have their consequences.

If it rains and Mine That Bird wins without Borel on board...he might regret it for the rest of his life.

We haven't even run the Preakness and we're talking about a Borel/MTB/RA decision for the Triple Crown chance???

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

We haven't even run the Preakness and we're talking about a Borel/MTB/RA decision for the Triple Crown chance???

i thought it was about the preakness. obviously if borel has the choice, and choses rachel, he's forgoing a shot at the tc. doesn't mean the gelding is, just the jock.
if she goes..if he has the choice.

[Cannon Shell]

Honestly I am not sure that 10 million is a great deal for this filly. The govt is surely going to get a big chunk of that simply because I doubt either owner has an operation that has anywhere close to that in expenses to write off against the gain. Obviously they can buy horses to make up the difference but in doing so you create expenses which cut into your profit again. The chances of getting another horse of this ability are virtually nil and even if she were to never race again i would think that you could get somewhere in the 6 million dollar range for her as a Broodmare. If she continues to run as well as she has then the upside isnt there over 10 million but the ride has got to be worth something. While 10 million is real close to as much as you could ever get for a filly if she continues to dominate Sheik Mo would give you that much in November. While I am the first person that would sell a horse that I owned if a good offer came up, this one isnt the slam dunk that it looks like.

Trainers usually get 5-10% from a sale out of the barn. Hopefully the owners take of Hal with the 10% he deserves for developing her to this point. Hal will also take care of the barn help because thats the kind of guy he is.

While there is a suit pending against one of the owners there is no reason to believe that Jerry Brown is in the right here without knowing the entire story.

I will say that Jess Jackson being back on the national scene at least gives me someone to root against now that Mullins has broke down I Want Revenge.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Honestly I am not sure that 10 million is a great deal for this filly. The govt is surely going to get a big chunk of that simply because I doubt either owner has an operation that has anywhere close to that in expenses to write off against the gain. Obviously they can buy horses to make up the difference but in doing so you create expenses which cut into your profit again. The chances of getting another horse of this ability are virtually nil and even if she were to never race again i would think that you could get somewhere in the 6 million dollar range for her as a Broodmare. If she continues to run as well as she has then the upside isnt there over 10 million but the ride has got to be worth something. While 10 million is real close to as much as you could ever get for a filly if she continues to dominate Sheik Mo would give you that much in November. While I am the first person that would sell a horse that I owned if a good offer came up, this one isnt the slam dunk that it looks like.

Trainers usually get 5-10% from a sale out of the barn. Hopefully the owners take of Hal with the 10% he deserves for developing her to this point. Hal will also take care of the barn help because thats the kind of guy he is.

While there is a suit pending against one of the owners there is no reason to believe that Jerry Brown is in the right here without knowing the entire story.

I will say that Jess Jackson being back on the national scene at least gives me someone to root against now that Mullins has broke down I Want Revenge.

i saw that the owner (lanzman i believe) is mad because some suggested a more 'nefarious' (his word) reason for IWR scratching. what does he expect, having mullins for a trainer? for having a trainer who is currently serving a suspension? yeah, that all came out of left field....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i saw that the owner (lanzman i believe) is mad because some suggested a more 'nefarious' (his word) reason for IWR scratching. what does he expect, having mullins for a trainer? for having a trainer who is currently serving a suspension? yeah, that all came out of left field....

Exactly. Like signing Pacman jones then being shocked when he gets in trouble.

[IrishofNDMan]

Working all day so just seeing this now, anyone know what it looks like the chances of seeing her in the Preakness are?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Exactly. Like signing Pacman jones then being shocked when he gets in trouble.

it just makes it difficult because the horses don't know who owns them. they just go out and give it their all. but it's hard, for me at least, to find complete satisfaction when seeing a good horse run when you have to see the characters in the winners circle after.
at least i've seen enough of rachel to know that she's good, damned good. but i hate seeing assman get a good one. to be rewarded for the way he's handled his career-it stinks.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it just makes it difficult because the horses don't know who owns them. they just go out and give it their all. but it's hard, for me at least, to find complete satisfaction when seeing a good horse run when you have to see the characters in the winners circle after.
at least i've seen enough of rachel to know that she's good, damned good. but i hate seeing assman get a good one. to be rewarded for the way he's handled his career-it stinks.

Success brings Success..Money follows money..Life's a big circle and every dog has his day..

[KirisClown]

She's the best filly since Ruffian, they could have held out and sold her for 3X the amount they got.

She'll now go on to win the Preakness, Belmont, Travers, Woodward, Jockey Club Gold Cup, BC Ladies Classic on Friday and finish up the year winning the BC Classic on Saturday...

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

He has a chance at immortality though. I guess both choices have their consequences.

If it rains and Mine That Bird wins without Borel on board...he might regret it for the rest of his life.

He has a better chance of immortality riding her then he does riding MTB. There is a chance that (especially if she comes back at 4) she will be reguarded as one of the great ones of all time. As opposed to staying on MTB for the Preakness, finishing up the track and then being remembered as the jockey who gave the best ride to the worst horse ever to win the derby.
Does anyone really think this horse has any type of chance of winning the Triple Crown? Obviously my vote is for him to stay with the filly.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In my opinion it's more likely he rides Rachel, wins and watches Mine That Bird finish a non threatening 8th.

There is no chance he wouldn't ride Rachel vs. Birdcrap if given the choice..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In my opinion it's more likely he rides Rachel, wins and watches Mine That Bird finish a non threatening 8th.

i think so. i think borel knows damn well it was a case of lucky rather than good in the derby as far as the horse is concerned. he knows what he's got with the filly.
it's been ages since a filly won the preakness-i'd love to see her give it a shot.