Mockery of Sport?

Danzig · #1 05-03-2009, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

Most people that bet yesterday didn't have a clue enough to read the form & even figure out that FF had won in the slop before.

perhaps. but many of them also may have bet him because larry jones was 'due'.
but i know a lot of the folks on here kept bringing up friesan fire. i also know that everyone who knows me was asking about my pick for the race. so, i would assume that many who went to the track also asked regular race fans they know about picks-i'd imagine the word got out on the jones colt.

ninetoone · #2 05-03-2009, 10:35 AM

To say that "most folks went with previous mud experience and bet the farm on FF" is just not right. And Beyer definitely would have looked better if Summer Bird had been the bomb that won...at least he acknowledged that it was possible for SB to get into the super.

Danzig · #3 05-03-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

To say that "most folks went with previous mud experience and bet the farm on FF" is just not right. And Beyer definitely would have looked better if Summer Bird had been the bomb that won...at least he acknowledged that it was possible for SB to get into the super.

FF went off the favorite. he achieved favoritism as soon as the skies opened up, before i want revenge scratched. all i read on here, and heard on t.v., was about his ability to win on the slop. but it's not right? how else explain why so many bet him? not one other horse was pointed out that i know of as being a known mudder.

Left Bank · #4 05-03-2009, 10:45 AM

Bloodhorse reprts that Mine that Bird was purchased privately for $400,000 by the connections.

Danzig · #5 05-03-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank

Bloodhorse reprts that Mine that Bird was purchased privately for $400,000 by the connections.

yep. they bought from the original owner who had purchased him for 9500. nice roi for both parties.

ninetoone · #6 05-03-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

FF went off the favorite. he achieved favoritism as soon as the skies opened up, before i want revenge scratched. all i read on here, and heard on t.v., was about his ability to win on the slop. but it's not right? how else explain why so many bet him? not one other horse was pointed out that i know of as being a known mudder.

Well, of course I can never prove it, but I find it impossible that of the miliions that were wagered to win on FF, that "most" of the people that went up to the window and made their bet were thinking "previous mud experience, yes! I'll bet the farm".

GPK · #7 05-03-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I understand you aren't criticizing, but do you think this makes Beyer look bad? I think 98% of people thought Mine That Bird had no shot, including Beyer. I'm sure he'll get on with his day the same way he usually does. No figures, sheets or anything else would point out Mine That Bird as anything more than an also ran before the race yesterday.

Will you sign for me?

ninetoone · #8 05-03-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I understand you aren't criticizing, but do you think this makes Beyer look bad? I think 98% of people thought Mine That Bird had no shot, including Beyer. I'm sure he'll get on with his day the same way he usually does. No figures, sheets or anything else would point out Mine That Bird as anything more than an also ran before the race yesterday.

Beyer makes the figures, not everyone else....and he said the day before the race that last out Beyer's were historically a great indicator of performance in the Derby. That's what I'm saying. At least Summer Bird had a good last out Beyer. What is so hard to understand? It's not a bash, just an observation.

Danzig · #9 05-03-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

Beyer makes the figures, not everyone else....and he said the day before the race that last out Beyer's were historically a great indicator of performance in the Derby. That's what I'm saying. At least Summer Bird had a good last out Beyer. What is so hard to understand? It's not a bash, just an observation.

but he's still right in that regard.

ninetoone · #10 05-03-2009, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

but he's still right in that regard.

I agree, again...not bashing, just making an observation on this Derby.

Handicappy · #11 05-03-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

Beyer makes the figures, not everyone else....and he said the day before the race that last out Beyer's were historically a great indicator of performance in the Derby. That's what I'm saying. At least Summer Bird had a good last out Beyer. What is so hard to understand? It's not a bash, just an observation.

They are historically a great indicator. But historically and every single time are two very different propositions. It is horse racing. It is what is so exciting, humbling, frustrating and ultimately wonderful about the game.

MisterB · #12 05-20-2009, 10:02 AM

Anybody with only 10% of their brain functioning Capped MTB to run out. How can his win diminish any public handicapper's selections, and logic? As far as losing handle down the road, How? Tracks closing, and taking days off mid week will kill the money truck, not the derby winner.

ninetoone · #13 05-03-2009, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I understand it's an observation. It just seems a little silly to wonder if Beyer cares this morning that a horse that should have been 5000-1 had low beyers going into the race. This is just specualtion, but I see Beyer (like most everyday players) as the kind of person that doesn't make one race such a big deal.

Most everyday players don't have their opinions published across the country, host chats on DRF, and have a speed number named after them. But maybe you're right.

blackthroatedwind · #14 05-03-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

Most everyday players don't have their opinions published across the country, host chats on DRF, and have a speed number named after them. But maybe you're right.

It sometimes seems lost on people on the internet, less so ( shockingly ) in the flesh, as to WHY some people MIGHT " have their opinions published across the country...etc.....etc..."

ninetoone · #15 05-03-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It sometimes seems lost on people on the internet, less so ( shockingly ) in the flesh, as to WHY some people MIGHT " have their opinions published across the country...etc.....etc..."

I can see that I'm going to be turned into a Beyer basher in this thread if I continue...God forbid you make an observation about a race. Jeez.

blackthroatedwind · #16 05-03-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

I can see that I'm going to be turned into a Beyer basher in this thread if I continue...God forbid you make an observation about a race. Jeez.

Don't try to make yourself into a victim. People are responding to YOUR comments. If you don't want to, or can't, back them up, then maybe you shouldn't have made them. If you can back them up, feel free to do so, but the " woe is me " stuff is beneath you.

ninetoone · #17 05-03-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It sometimes seems lost on people on the internet, less so ( shockingly ) in the flesh, as to WHY some people MIGHT " have their opinions published across the country...etc.....etc..."

I don't understand why it always comes down to the anonymous internet angle throwdown in every thread. I have plenty of good friends that I argue or disagree with in person all the time. To be honest with you, you seem a bit obsessed with this angle, and I don't really get it. I don't think I've said anything on here that I wouldn't say to you or someone else in person, although I guess I do acknowledge that a lot of people do get out of control on here.

blackthroatedwind · #18 05-03-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

I don't understand why it always comes down to the anonymous internet angle throwdown in every thread. I have plenty of good friends that I argue or disagree with in person all the time. To be honest with you, you seem a bit obsessed with this angle, and I don't really get it. I don't think I've said anything on here that I wouldn't say to you or someone else in person, although I guess I do acknowledge that a lot of people do get out of control on here.

You missed my point. You directed this to some sort of " Beyer was wrong " angle, which maybe you didn't even mean, and then seem to wonder why people reacted that way. That's all. If you disagree.....explain it to us.

As far as the internet......I spend my days with the public at the track and talk to people all the time. Sometimes agreeably, and sometimes less so, but the exchanges are far more civil and even-handed than they are on the internet. I am not trying to point a finger at you, honestly, I am speaking generally. If you spent a month in my shoes I can promise that you would get it.