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05-03-2009, 08:30 AM
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race shape, and set up too fast/too forward....
combined with a lone horse running a separate optimal race and winning a gamble on a fortunate rail trip. and the much-the-best horse running a no-show while supposedly injured and the 3 other possibly good 10 furlong horses (dunkirk,desert party,chocolate candy) turned out to be mediocre or worse 
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05-03-2009, 08:32 AM
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05-03-2009, 08:34 AM
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05-03-2009, 08:43 AM
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05-03-2009, 09:18 AM
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what are you even talking about? I Want Revenge was scratched. He didn't run. you are way off in a different ballpark
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05-03-2009, 08:40 AM
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it was a handicappers nightmare and the type of race that some fan hits...
anyone who knew anything about wagering would play against pioneer in most tickets other than the coverage tickets. I had Calvin's horse and Join in the Dance (the speed) grouped 3rd or 4th in a superfecta each, but that is the highest I could envision him running to. One of the hardest things about trying to make money at the horses, is that if you want to safely build your bankroll, you can't bet a lot more on the fun races then on any other good valued race. That can be damn near impossible when you handicap a race for so long, and have been so accurate for the last two years, and have such a strong opinion. 
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05-03-2009, 09:05 AM
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 All you did was say how your price was getting ruined by all the scratches, now your taking shots at people who supported POTN. What did FF pay for 16th? or 18th?
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05-03-2009, 09:06 AM
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he finished 18th, beat only flying private. larry jones was bitching after-this is why i'm retiring. oh, shut up and retire already.
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Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. Abraham Lincoln
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05-03-2009, 09:53 AM
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Calvin Borel took a risky gamble and it worked out into a hall of fame ride. Friesan Fire was injured out of the gate and had a rough trip. Friesan Fire's price sucked with underlays Pamplemousse, Quality Road and IWR all defecting, but obviously your post was meant to be a rhetorical snide remark, and you probably care/know little about a price. Glad you liked the obvious underlay POTN, that pretty much says all that needs to be said about your horseplaying acumen.
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05-03-2009, 10:02 AM
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05-03-2009, 10:24 AM
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1st and 2nd is a different world from 3rd and 4th in the derby. the race was an anamoly. anyone can see that who watches the video in the context of this years 3yo season, or even in the context of this decades derbys. Friesan Fire looked MUCH the best to me in my handicapping. Supposedly his injuries and rough trip hurt him, I haven't had a chance to review his trip yet. I was completely surprised that he didn't win, much less finish in the money. The reason a horseplayer only bets between 2 and 10% of his bankroll per race is that any single race can be an anamoly. It is the long haul that matters. I'll gladly admit that Friesan Fire was my confident selection. And equally so that Pioneer of the Nile wasn't used 1st or 2nd other than coverage wagers.
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05-03-2009, 10:26 AM
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It definitely wasn't a "KING OF THE WORLD !one!!!oneone!!!" moment.
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