Dear Dubai apologists...

[tector]

Dave, first you let them stick their feet in their mouth further. Then you go for the throat.

Can't blame anyone for not having the winner, but I can find laughable anyone who took these Dubai bozos seriously. And I do.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by tector

Dave, first you let them stick their feet in their mouth further. Then you go for the throat.

Can't blame anyone for not having the winner, but I can find laughable anyone who took these Dubai bozos seriously. And I do.

True, sorry for ruining your fun.

I'm really annoyed at what happened to Papa Clem.

By the way, did anyone else find it really weird how Thorn Song was ridden in the early part of the stretch drive?

Was he asleep? Did he not want to hit the board? I don't understand these things, the nonsensical things that go through these pinheads tiny little brains.

[tector]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

True, sorry for ruining your fun.

I'm really annoyed at what happened to Papa Clem.

By the way, did anyone else find it really weird how Thorn Song was ridden in the early part of the stretch drive?

Was he asleep? Did he not want to hit the board? I don't understand these things, the nonsensical things that go through these pinheads tiny little brains.

Sorry, I was still too livid over Gomez's ride on Visit to notice.

I actually cashed tickets on the Derby, BTW--4 $3 consos on the KO/WR/KD pick-3. Hooray!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by tector

Sorry, I was still too livid over Gomez's ride on Visit to notice.

I actually cashed tickets on the Derby, BTW--4 $3 consos on the KO/WR/KD pick-3. Hooray!

Yeah, Visit could have helped my cause. Gomez had it in for me today I think.

He's a terrible fit for her.

I'd love to see them let her go to the lead, like she obviously wants!

I hate jockeys. That's probably more Frankelfuk's fault more than Gomez, but still.

[tector]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, Visit could have helped my cause. Gomez had it in for me today I think.

He's a terrible fit for her.

I'd love to see them let her go to the lead, like she obviously wants!

I hate jockeys. That's probably more Frankelfuk's fault more than Gomez, but still.

And why did they put Frankel's dog in a dress and show it on TV? Was Willaim Wegman directing the broadcast?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by tector

And why did they put Frankel's dog in a dress and show it on TV? Was Willaim Wegman directing the broadcast?

You mean Bethany Frankelfuk?

Ick.

[tector]

What kind of name is Bethany for a dog?

[eajinabi]

Maybe Pletcher and the Dubai folk can team up for a 10 million dollar super-over-hyped inexperienced horse next year. Cant wait

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, Visit could have helped my cause. Gomez had it in for me today I think.

I hate jockeys. That's probably more Frankel's fault more than Gomez, but still.

Frankel's barn is in a deep funk and has been for months. Notice that Stardom Bound's form took a nosedive after she was moved to Frankel?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Frankel's barn is in a deep funk and has been for months. Notice that Stardom Bound's form took a nosedive after she was moved to Frankel?

Wow. That couldn't be more ridiculous.

If it was his barn that did her in, wouldn't she have improved when moved into Dutrow's care for the Ashland?

NT

[brockguy]

Come back with these statements when they go 0-20+ like Pletcher in the Derby..

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by tector

Can't blame anyone for not having the winner, but I can find laughable anyone who took these Dubai bozos seriously. And I do.

Well I'm a little late to the party but figured you'd have started a thread so here i am.

I was wrong, played both, congrats to anyone who had the winner. I sure as hell didn't.

Not making excuses but Desert Party to have surgery...

http://www.godolphin.com/NewsArticle.aspx?id=4380

I think it's a lot easier to say who won't hit the board in a field of 20 than who will but whatever.

I was wrong... there you go.

They're both pretty nice horses though. I'm still a fan of both.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Well I'm a little late to the party but figured you'd have started a thread so here i am.

I was wrong, played both, congrats to anyone who had the winner. I sure as hell didn't.

Not making excuses but Desert Party to have surgery...

http://www.godolphin.com/NewsArticle.aspx?id=4380

I think it's a lot easier to say who won't hit the board in a field of 20 than who will but whatever.

I was wrong... there you go.

They're both pretty nice horses though. I'm still a fan of both.

I'm with you. I never thought they should be favored, but I thought they were very good horses, each with about a 15-1 chance to win. If they send two this nice over again next year, I'll be glad to bet them at 20-1.

--Dunbar

[Danzig]

desert party is going to have surgery to remove a chip. they say they don't know when it occured, but that it did have an impact on his derby run.

if they don't know when it occurred, how do they know it impacted the race?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

desert party is going to have surgery to remove a chip. they say they don't know when it occured, but that it did have an impact on his derby run.

if they don't know when it occurred, how do they know it impacted the race?

I would assume that it didnt happen after the race?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would assume that it didnt happen after the race?

what if it was two starts ago? three? just seems that people don't go over a horse with a fine toothed comb til they lose. war emblem ran with chips, so did mineshaft. didn't rachel not vet out because of a chip?

i just think it's interesting they say they don't know when it occured-so how do you know when it had an affect?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what if it was two starts ago? three? just seems that people don't go over a horse with a fine toothed comb til they lose. war emblem ran with chips, so did mineshaft. didn't rachel not vet out because of a chip?

i just think it's interesting they say they don't know when it occured-so how do you know when it had an affect?

Obviously it didn't show outward effects till afterwards so it would be logical to assume it happened in the race. Surely you understand that a chip can vary in seriousness depending on location, size, shape, etc.

[Cannon Shell]

Not sure why people who dont actually spend any money buying horses or trying to win races feel the need to knock those that do regardless of the amount of money spent. I doubt that Sheik Mo loses any sleep over not winning the Derby or that you find amusement in it. As proven again this year it is sometimes a fluky race that produces strange results.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not sure why people who dont actually spend any money buying horses or trying to win races feel the need to knock those that do regardless of the amount of money spent. I doubt that Sheik Mo loses any sleep over not winning the Derby or that you find amusement in it. As proven again this year it is sometimes a fluky race that produces strange results.

you're going to be accused of being a sycophant and apologist shortly.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

A) The need to knock someone spending what is considered to be an exorbitant amount of money (relatively) on yearlings, two-year-olds in training, and on purchases of stylish two-year-old maiden winners is the "Yankees Syndrome," and as a baseball fan, you know what I mean. To me, if Godolphin merely outlasts others at the sales -- and overwhelms those with two-year-olds maiden winners unable to resist, which, according to here, is the entirety of the horse-owning world -- then it is bound to win the Derby sometime, and the accomplishment is diminished.

B) If Shake Mo doesn't lose sleep over not winning the Derby, then he has done a tremendous job of conning the world-wide racing media into believing that he is a horseman of the finest order. If that is not the case, then perhaps the world-wide racing media has engaged in a collective act of journalistic license. For years now, I have read that the Derby and the Melbourne Cup have been Shake Mo's obsession as an owner.

C) I am not a fan of the Godolphin crowd for multiple reasons, but I do not see it as unreasonable for those to jump on it for the amount of money that it has spent in pursuit of the Derby. If only those who spend even remotely similar amounts of money than that of Godolphin could comment on its spending to win a Derby.. well, then no one could comment.

A) Winning the Derby cant be diminished unless they buy all the starters (which isnt that impossible)
B) While the horseracing media isnt that hard to fool I would think that if Sheik Mo was THAT determined to simply win the Derby he wouldnt shuffle all the horses off to Dubai every winter.
C) And no one said that a person has to spend as much as Godolphin but to simply buy a horse to see how hard it is to win any race let alone the Derby. I am no great fan of the Arabs or their methods (unless I had a good one to sell) but to simply criticize because they spent a lot of money is a bit myopic. That money they spend goes a long ways to keep a lot of bills paid and people s heads above water.