Derby Fever: Where 'stupid' is contagious

gales0678 · #1 05-02-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Now playing the part of Affirmed.........Mine that Bird.

king - drugs told me to bet him , i forgot - he's better start giving me the plays the day of rather than 2 weeks before

King Glorious · #2 05-02-2009, 08:05 PM

I couldn't have had that winner in a million tries but this was the first post I thought of when he won.

Split Rock · #3 05-02-2009, 08:47 PM

With all due respect to Steve Byk (I love his horse racing show and seems like a good guy), he owes a sincere apology to the connections of Mine That Bird. While the horse appeared to have zero hope on paper, he deserved to be in based on the rules of entry.

In addition, it just goes to show how absolutely idiotic an idea it is to reduce the field size to 14. Why would you do that? Just to be able to handicap it better? I don't understand. It's ALL about the chance.

Finally, the Derby finish solidifies the fact that stiffer drug testing reveals the phony trainers (Pletcher most notably).

packerbacker7964 · #4 05-02-2009, 08:57 PM

Crow Here, Get your Crow while it's hot. I've got Lemon Pepper Crow, Salt and Pepper Crow, Roasted Crow, BBQ Crow.

blackthroatedwind · #5 05-02-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

Crow Here, Get your Crow while it's hot. I've got Lemon Pepper Crow, Salt and Pepper Crow, Roasted Crow, BBQ Crow.

While Steve Byk was spending his time sharing his Derby opinions, and reasoning, you made not one single post here in a week.

Until now....with this garbage.

You've got nerve, I'll give you that.

declansharbor · #6 05-02-2009, 08:59 PM

Shouldn't this line be reserved for someone that actually had an opinion on the race? Me thinks so.

declansharbor · #7 05-02-2009, 09:01 PM

Beat me to it BTW.

Didnt hear a peep from him all week, and this is what he types?

packerbacker7964 · #8 05-02-2009, 09:22 PM

both of you can EAD. Been with my wife all week. You see she's got Heart Failure and in need of a new pacemaker. Some of us don't get to live online like you two. Get a real life instead of posting your garbage with 10 million post that add up to having nothing to show for your time. I can't hlp that the both of you missed every bet you made today. Go back to reading the form and not cashing once again.

Pedigree Ann · #9 05-03-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

Crow Here, Get your Crow while it's hot. I've got Lemon Pepper Crow, Salt and Pepper Crow, Roasted Crow, BBQ Crow.

Bigsmc · #10 05-03-2009, 04:25 PM

Packer, this thread contains some of your finest work.

Truly laughable. You don't have a thing to say until after the race, then you throw a shot at all of the people that did have a pre-race opinion. When challenged, you turn martyr. Then you put the cherry on top by attacking someone who makes a living at this game, is employed by the biggest circuit in US racing to give his opinions every day and somehow doesn't have your horse racing respect.

Good stuff.

packerbacker7964 · #11 05-03-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Packer, this thread contains some of your finest work.

Truly laughable. You don't have a thing to say until after the race, then you throw a shot at all of the people that did have a pre-race opinion. When challenged, you turn martyr. Then you put the cherry on top by attacking someone who makes a living at this game, is employed by the biggest circuit in US racing to give his opinions every day and somehow doesn't have your horse racing respect.

Good stuff.

Who is this person you speak of? I'm just saying as long as the damn horse is in the starting gate he has a chance. If you ran this derby 100 more times MTB wouldn't win another. I'm just saying when you have the chance to Run For the Roses do it. The owner will never have a shot at another derby so why not take it?

hockey2315 · #12 05-02-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock

Finally, the Derby finish solidifies the fact that stiffer drug testing reveals the phony trainers (Pletcher most notably).

How so, exactly? By Dunkirk falling on his face at the start?

Danzig · #13 05-02-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

How so, exactly? By Dunkirk falling on his face at the start?

i think you're overstating his start. it wasn't that bad of a stumble. i've seen worse, with better finishes after.

hockey2315 · #14 05-02-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i think you're overstating his start. it wasn't that bad of a stumble. i've seen worse, with better finishes after.

That's possible, I suppose, but I don't think his trip after that was particularly easy either. Anyways. . . the poster I was responding to made an incredibly asinine comment about Pletcher's supposed drug use, citing his lack of success in the Derby (despite two second place finishes) - not to mention a Belmont Stakes win and countless other major G1 victories. He's the type of idiot that helps limit the general public's exposure to racing to breakdowns and "steroids."

Danzig · #15 05-02-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

That's possible, I suppose, but I don't think his trip after that was particularly easy either. Anyways. . . the poster I was responding to made an incredibly asinine comment about Pletcher's supposed drug use, citing his lack of success in the Derby (despite two second place finishes) - not to mention a Belmont Stakes win and countless other major G1 victories. He's the type of idiot that helps limit the general public's exposure to racing to breakdowns and "steroids."

yeah, i didn't get what he was inferring there.

Split Rock · #16 05-03-2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

That's possible, I suppose, but I don't think his trip after that was particularly easy either. Anyways. . . the poster I was responding to made an incredibly asinine comment about Pletcher's supposed drug use, citing his lack of success in the Derby (despite two second place finishes) - not to mention a Belmont Stakes win and countless other major G1 victories. He's the type of idiot that helps limit the general public's exposure to racing to breakdowns and "steroids."

Asinine comment? The game is ravaged by drugs. Just saying it isn't doesn't make it so. There is hardly an equine performance I actually believe these days.

I believe I've invested enough of my money and time in this game to have (and state) my opinion.

Split Rock · #17 05-03-2009, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

How so, exactly? By Dunkirk falling on his face at the start?

Come on.... The guy is zero for 24 in the Derby. Most of his horses have finished far up the track. Can a reasonably logical person claim this to be mere coincidence? The guy is an eclipse award winning trainer that won many Derby preps over the years but can't get a horse to be competitive in the one race they seriously test for drugs?

Yea, I guess that is just a coincidence....

Travis Stone · #18 05-03-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock

Come on.... The guy is zero for 24 in the Derby. Most of his horses have finished far up the track. Can a reasonably logical person claim this to be mere coincidence? The guy is an eclipse award winning trainer that won many Derby preps over the years but can't get a horse to be competitive in the one race they seriously test for drugs?

Yea, I guess that is just a coincidence....

I consider myself reasonably logical, and I think this post is unreasonably illogical.

They test more at the BC, and monitor stalls more at the BC, than any other horse racing event. Pletcher notched a few wins there didn't he?

I shouldn't even waste my time with this response. The Derby is a 20 horse race under ridiculously difficult circumstances. Because Pletcher hasn't won does not mean he laid-off the drugs. That's ridiculous.

Merlinsky · #19 05-03-2009, 07:23 AM

Oh well, I did tell folks I knew that if all we do is talk about how Mine That Bird has no chance he's going to win on Murphy's Law alone. I've never found being so stunned by a win that turns out to also be so hilarious. Calvin Borel's just a marvelously crazy cajun and that cheering after the race was so contagious. The longest margin of victory since Assault--serves us all right.

Felony violation of Murphy's Law. Happy for Birdstone's people, great sign for his sire future I'm hoping, and since MTB is a gelding who knows, he might be around awhile.

Linny · #20 05-03-2009, 07:29 AM

I think TAP's lack of Derby success is based on two factors. First, many of his runners were really not "live contenders" but horses entered by owners with Derby Fever. Odd thing though is that his "Join in the Dance's" seem to outrun his "Dunkirks" every year.

Second, TAP has maintained his high percentage by picking his spots. There are enough big events that if horse A is not 100% in time for this Saturday, you wait and enter next Saturday. You simply cannot do that with the Derby and BC. (He's won some BC races but not at the clip that he wins other G1's.) In those races you must be ready on the day.