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09-07-2006, 12:35 PM
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In his Champagne and Bay Shore runs, Hoist the Flag totally outclassed colts like Jim French, Bold Reason, Good Behaving, etc., who would go on to win and place in races like the Santa Anita Derby, Wood Memorial, Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and Travers. There was talk that if Travers winner Bold Reason won the 10f Woodward over his elders as well, he would have had Horse of the Year and champion 3yo locked up. But he didn't - Cougar II ran away and hid from that field, so Ack Ack got HoY and Canonero II (laid up after the Belmont) got top 3yo. Hoist the Flag had made the cream of his crop look like overmatched allowance horses.
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09-07-2006, 04:19 PM
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... Honest Pleasure had an even better record than Hoist The Flag ... through the same stage of their careers ... and he failed consistently thereafter. How do you know the same wouldn't have happened to Hoist The Flag ... did you get a Coulda/Shoulda/Woulda Decoder Ring in your first box of Animal Crackers? You know nothing ... so stop wasting server space ... and go back to trying to prove how great the Sir Gallahad line was in the late 1940's and early 1950's.
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09-07-2006, 04:24 PM
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You are an A sshole.
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09-07-2006, 04:33 PM
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This thread shows the difference between those who understand the game, and those who want it to be like something it isn't.
You see BB, human athletes when feeling a cramp or pain, tell teh coach or manager to take them out of the lineup and they go and see the Dr. Basically, they can talk. Horses can't. And they also don't have the intelligence(most of them) to pull themselves up in a race when they feel pain. They keep running until they can't. Therefore injuries occur that end their careers prematurely. Trying to use "accomplishments" over a three year period as an absolute to achieve greatness is illogical in the horse business. Don Mattingly was certainly great, one of the best who ever played baseball as a matter of fact. His back injury prevented him from putting up career hall oF fame standard numbers. Does this mean he was not great? Piffle and balderdash!!! he most certainly was. here is a "newsflash" for you. because of the current disproportion between stud fees and purses, it would be insane for anyone but a sheokh to run a superstar at age 4. crazy!!! the insurance premiums would far outweigh any purses that the horse could earn. So what I'm basically telling you is that 4 year old campaigns by great three year olds are going to be rare. This does not mean that we will never again see greatness. To use this logic, only a three year old who is awesome and is owned by a sheikh will ever have the chance to be great. Its nonsense. You can identify greatness by watchinga horse run and specualting with rationality what kind of horse he is.
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09-07-2006, 04:54 PM
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But unless a horse demonstrates ... on the track in actual races ... that he is capable of defeating opponents of known quality ... all the speculative couldas and wouldas and shouldas and I-can-tell's ... don't mean a thing. Identify "greatness" by watching a horse run and speculating with rationality? Sounds like the 2YOS In Training Sales ... and we see how well those speculations turn out.
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#6
09-07-2006, 04:31 PM
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63 year old man talking tough from a thousand miles away. Your parents should be ashamed for themselves. Some peoples' children.
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