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[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

My mistake, Sumitas.
Find the thread about "breeding", the stallion thread..over rated and under.
Revolution asked. I need your two cents.
Seems this one poooh pooohs too much.
Might just be a curious kid. I was one also.
Might be time for him to listen.

i am not a kid. i am sure you guys know plenty. i am always learning but i am pretty confident i have as much experience in the breeding game.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Revolution

i am not a kid. i am sure you guys know plenty. i am always learning but i am pretty confident i have as much experience in the breeding game.

I meant no offense. We've had enough of those threads lately.
Just don't under rate nybreds. Many good horses have been born, bred and raced in NY.
Disagree all you want. Facts speak for themselves.

"Actions speak louder than words"
DTS

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I meant no offense. We've had enough of those threads lately.
Just don't under rate nybreds. Many good horses have been born, bred and raced in NY.
Disagree all you want. Facts speak for themselves.

"Actions speak louder than words"
DTS

i am not knocking ny breds. i actually just do not like how horses like fleet indian and funny cide are considered ny breds. their sires stand in kentucky. the state where a horse is bred is really not important though anyway other than to meet the conditions for state bred races. many of the ny bred races run at saratoga make me question exactly what is going on in terms of race fixing. some odd things happen in those races.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I have to agree with DTS. I horse that can run and win is a horse that can run and win. It doesn't matter where they are from at all...it's just a location. Back in 2003, I would have taken Funny Cide over all 3 year old KY breds.

Are KY breds better overall than NY breds...well of course. But, that certainly wouldn't keep me from buying a nice NY bred who was fast and could win or breeding good NY horses.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have to agree with DTS. I horse that can run and win is a horse that can run and win. It doesn't matter where they are from at all...it's just a location. Back in 2003, I would have taken Funny Cide over all 3 year old KY breds.

Are KY breds better overall than NY breds...well of course. But, that certainly wouldn't keep me from buying a nice NY bred who was fast and could win or breeding good NY horses.

hard to take funny cide over empire maker, but i see your point. ny needs better stallions though. they just don't have anything to offer. the fact is there are less than 20 ny bred millionaires and i do not think there has ever been a horse of the year that was a ny bred. if i am correct they keep changing the rules in ny to even be considered a ny bred.

chief seattle is the only top 100 sire standing in NY and shillelagh slew has earned him everything racing in Canada. even Maryland has better stallions.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Revolution

hard to take funny cide over empire maker, but i see your point. ny needs better stallions though. they just don't have anything to offer. the fact is there are less than 20 ny bred millionaires and i do not think there has ever been a horse of the year that was a ny bred.

Actually, Revolution, there are some pretty good stallions in NY. The mares are what's needed imho. Though we have a few nice ones here.
If your looking for a triple crown winner, well, we've been waiting a long time is all I can say. HOY might happen sooner than later.
NY has done a lot to boost breeders.
I agree with GR, it doesn't matter where it's born.
Have a look:

http://www.nybreds.com/frames/FS_incentives.html

DTS

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Actually, Revolution, there are some pretty good stallions in NY. The mares are what's needed imho. Though we have a few nice ones here.
If your looking for a triple crown winner, well, we've been waiting a long time is all I can say. HOY might happen sooner than later.
NY has done a lot to boost breeders.
I agree with GR, it doesn't matter where it's born.
Have a look:

http://www.nybreds.com/frames/FS_incentives.html

DTS

like i said, i am not knocking the horses, i just find it odd that new york has never grown to where there are atleast 5-10 of the top sires in america. i guess it is the february-march weather or something. who are the great new york stallions? i honestly know of none.

Originally Posted by Revolution

like i said, i am not knocking the horses, i just find it odd that new york has never grown to where there are atleast 5-10 of the top sires in america. i guess it is the february-march weather or something. who are the great new york stallions? i honestly know of none.

Rev,
The problem is that breeding in Ny is still done on a minor scale.
Infrastructure in any business is the hardest thing to build.
The money behind farms in Ky is tremendous. The money behind Ny farms very much less so. And more importantly, the oney spent by those breeding in Ny is even less.
A few decent sires have stood here, only to be moved upon initial success.
Belong To Me and Citi Zip would be two.
If some day a powerful breeding farm decides to start a NY divisioon of stallions, it will work and prosper.
The money here is tremendous but noone as of yet noone is willing to kick up the bucks to buy and stand a good stallion.
The weather is of no concern.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Revolution

like i said, i am not knocking the horses, i just find it odd that new york has never grown to where there are atleast 5-10 of the top sires in america. i guess it is the february-march weather or something. who are the great new york stallions? i honestly know of none.

Click on the High Cliff farm link, or Metropolitan stud, or Lakeland North...you can see Freud on that one. Many others...see the stallion register.
NY has some good ones, but here's a secret that not many know, told to me by a trusted friend. "Kentucky has the best sires, and they don't let them out of the state unless they're cut."
It won't be too long before the ones we've gotten come to the top.
We're dealing with a limited gene pool. Good mares are key.
It's just a matter of time.