bellamy road was retired

Apparently you didn't see his Travers, which anyone with a true understanding of the game and circumstances knows:
It was not the trainers fault that he had to run there.
The horse was coming off an injury and a layoff and had FOUR breezes, none longer than 5f for his race preparation.
He lost to eventual BCC runner up Flower Alley who was razor sharp at the time.
He beat the rest of the field by a city block. Including Rooman Ruler who had just won the haskell and returned off that race to run RHT to a length.

I won't go into it again. If you follow the game and really know what you are seeing, his Travers will always remain one of the most incredible efforts of raw talent and guts that you will ever see on a racetrack.
If you don't follow the game and don't understand what you are seeing or anything about training and preparation as it relates to performance, then you don't get it and most likely never will.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Apparently you didn't see his Travers, which anyone with a true understanding of the game and circumstances knows:
It was not the trainers fault that he had to run there.
The horse was coming off an injury and a layoff and had FOUR breezes, none longer than 5f for his race preparation.
He lost to eventual BCC runner up Flower Alley who was razor sharp at the time.
He beat the rest of the field by a city block. Including Rooman Ruler who had just won the haskell and returned off that race to run RHT to a length.

I won't go into it again. If you follow the game and really know what you are seeing, his Travers will always remain one of the most incredible efforts of raw talent and guts that you will ever see on a racetrack.
If you don't follow the game and don't understand what you are seeing or anything about training and preparation as it relates to performance, then you don't get it and most likely never will.

I appreciated the Travers effort for what it was. It was indeed a game effort and no one on this thread denied that the horse has talent. Was it mind blowing? Not from where i was sitting which was at the track. Why is it that when someone disagrees with your assessment suddenly they dont "get it"? Could someone possibly "get it" while disagreeing with you? Ponder that.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I appreciated the Travers effort for what it was. It was indeed a game effort and no one on this thread denied that the horse has talent. Was it mind blowing? Not from where i was sitting which was at the track. Why is it that when someone disagrees with your assessment suddenly they dont "get it"? Could someone possibly "get it" while disagreeing with you? Ponder that.

I'll take the consensus of three guys who have either trained or owned grade one horses over yours. With mine thrown in for good measure. The day I value your opinion over these guys is the day i take up tiddly winks.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I'll take the consensus of three guys who have either trained or owned grade one horses over yours. With mine thrown in for good measure. The day I value your opinion over these guys is the day i take up tiddly winks.

Everyone in the business thought BM's Travers performance was awesome under the circumstances. Everyone I talked to thought that race vaildated what a good horse he was.

Everyting you said is correct. He had been off for a while, he only had a few works, there's no way he was ready to go the distance, he set fast fractions and not only that he was still injured. He had all those things going agaisnt him yet he still ran a good 2nd to a good horse in Flower Alley.

It was an awesome perfomance under the circumstances.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Everyone in the business thought BM's Travers performance was awesome under the circumstances. Everyone I talked to thought that race vaildated what a good horse he was.

Everyting you said is correct. He had been off for a while, he only had a few works, there's no way he was ready to go the distance, he set fast fractions and not only that he was still injured. He had all those things going agaisnt him yet he still ran a good 2nd to a good horse in Flower Alley.

It was an awesome perfomance under the circumstances.

Hmmm ... I think we all have a different definition of what "an awesome performance" is.

To me ... a second-place finish to a rather average Travers winner is ... a second-place finish to a rather average Travers winner.

Circumstances may have prevented Bellamy Road from running a better race that day ... but ... the fact is ... they did. And the end result of his effort was far from awesome.

Given better handling ... better luck ... better karma ... he may have run a lot more often ... with a lot better results. But he didn't.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Hmmm ... I think we all have a different definition of what "an awesome performance" is.

To me ... a second-place finish to a rather average Travers winner is ... a second-place finish to a rather average Travers winner.

Circumstances may have prevented Bellamy Road from running a better race that day ... but ... the fact is ... they did. And the end result of his effort was far from awesome.

Given better handling ... better luck ... better karma ... he may have run a lot more often ... with a lot better results. But he didn't.

You're not going to make money buying horses or betting on horses if all you can see is the end result. You have to look deeper than that to make a good assessment.

Wow..I don't even have to read through this thread to know that someone must have pissed Oracle off for this thread to get this long....

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Apparently you didn't see his Travers, which anyone with a true understanding of the game and circumstances knows:
It was not the trainers fault that he had to run there.
The horse was coming off an injury and a layoff and had FOUR breezes, none longer than 5f for his race preparation.
He lost to eventual BCC runner up Flower Alley who was razor sharp at the time.
He beat the rest of the field by a city block. Including Rooman Ruler who had just won the haskell and returned off that race to run RHT to a length.

I won't go into it again. If you follow the game and really know what you are seeing, his Travers will always remain one of the most incredible efforts of raw talent and guts that you will ever see on a racetrack.
If you don't follow the game and don't understand what you are seeing or anything about training and preparation as it relates to performance, then you don't get it and most likely never will.

*Wild Applause*