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Old 04-24-2009, 07:04 AM
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Absolutely 100% Dunkirk... My buddies in NYC who do not follow racing except on Derby day are already picking Dunkirk as the winner..
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:11 AM
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Pioneer of the Nile after Weds. work
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:22 AM
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Absolutely 100% Dunkirk... My buddies in NYC who do not follow racing except on Derby day are already picking Dunkirk as the winner..
i agree, i think people will be surprised when he is overbet. the guy that writes for the saratogian (brendan O'meara) keeps saying that this will be pletchers , break through. so, i know there are plenty of folks on the bandwagon. there is alot of talk about square eddie too, who i feel has no shot in the race. but , the best horse does not always win the derby anyway.
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:23 AM
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Any of the Italian Horses ?
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:25 AM
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Papa Clem, Desert Party...thought it would be Chocolate Candy, but the buzz is falling off on him a bit since the SAD.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:13 AM
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:18 AM
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:24 AM
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I think the "wise guy" horse is/will be Choc Candy or Mr. Hot Stuff...
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:30 AM
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:25 AM
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I agree about Dunkirk. I think some casual fans might look at Chocolate Candy with Mike Smith and think it's "Giacomo" all over again, which I won't buy into at all.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:31 AM
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Absolutely 100% Dunkirk... My buddies in NYC who do not follow racing except on Derby day are already picking Dunkirk as the winner..


Your buddies who don't follow racing, except for Derby Days, are thus not anything close to " wise guys. "
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:42 AM
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I'm thinking it will be Papa Clem. I think that the three main horses coming out of California (Pioneer, IWR, and Papa Clem) all had/have the dirt question to answer. IWR and PC both have answered it while Pioneer has yet to do so. Now that we know PC can run on the dirt, I think more attention is going to be put on the fact that he did finish ahead of IWR at Santa Anita. I know Old Fashioned got hurt in the running and a lot of people weren't impressed with the Arkansas Derby but for me, it was a really good effort. I could see Papa Clem dropping down to about the 7/1 or 8/1 range.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:44 AM
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The true " wise guy " opinion in this year's KY Derby is that Pioneer of the Nile is a major bet against. There really is no " wise guy horse " to bet on.
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Old 04-24-2009, 10:57 AM
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The true " wise guy " opinion in this year's KY Derby is that Pioneer of the Nile is a major bet against. There really is no " wise guy horse " to bet on.
A lot of people I work with really like Pioneer of the Nile, some of these people have talked to the farm where he was broke and trained and they said he trained very well at that time on the dirt. Although he still hasn't run a race on it with dirt flying back and hitting him in the face I think he is still a must use especially since he has beat a 1/4 of the field that will be entered in the race.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:10 AM
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:13 AM
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You mean I'm the only person on the West Side Bernie bandwagon? I figured the groundswell on W.S.B. would be well on its way to "wise guy" status by now.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:16 AM
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A lot of people I work with really like Pioneer of the Nile, some of these people have talked to the farm where he was broke and trained and they said he trained very well at that time on the dirt. Although he still hasn't run a race on it with dirt flying back and hitting him in the face I think he is still a must use especially since he has beat a 1/4 of the field that will be entered in the race.

Right, they are the anti-wise guys, which just furthers my point.

Once again, there is a misconseption of what a wise guy is around here. Like it or not.....The Fat Man is the " wise guy " of this board.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:27 AM
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Right, they are the anti-wise guys, which just furthers my point.

Once again, there is a misconseption of what a wise guy is around here. Like it or not.....The Fat Man is the " wise guy " of this board.

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Old 04-24-2009, 11:34 AM
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The true " wise guy " opinion in this year's KY Derby is that Pioneer of the Nile is a major bet against. There really is no " wise guy horse " to bet on.
This isn't much of a 'wise guy' pick. Every doofus with a bone to pick with POLY is against POTN.

A true 'wise guy' pick would be taking a stand against one of the 'conventional' darlings (i.e. high speed figure horses). This year, that would be Quality Road. Too bad all that quarter crack BS is going on; and will scare some supporters away.
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Old 04-24-2009, 11:37 AM
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I have no bone to pick with poly just slow horses.. POTN is slow
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