Synthetic to Dirt 'Improvers'

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Like Intangaroo, Tiago, and Zenyatta?

Honestly some horses are going to take to it and some are not, I dont think style means much.

I don't buy that Zenyatta and Intangaroo moved up much on the dirt, both are G1 winners on the synthetics. It is nothing like the difference with Hystericalady when she goes from synthetic to dirt. Tiago has always been hit or miss, he did run third in the BC Classic on synthetic. It of course isn't going to apply in all cases, that's why I said most.

[slotdirt]

Tiago's best race to date was probably at Oaklawn Park, was it not?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Tiago's best race to date was probably at Oaklawn Park, was it not?

Probably. I still don't entirely get that figure. He went 9 furlongs in 1:50.34 and got a 110 Beyer. Zenyatta went 8.5 in 1:42.64 and got a 104 Beyer. That just seems strange to me but without the full card or knowing the pars there I don't really know what went on with it.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Probably. I still don't entirely get that figure. He went 9 furlongs in 1:50.34 and got a 110 Beyer. Zenyatta went 8.5 in 1:42.64 and got a 104 Beyer. That just seems strange to me but without the full card or knowing the pars there I don't really know what went on with it.

Just looked into it and the time was later corrected from 1:50.34 to 1:48.60.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Reporting for Duty was 3rd beaten 6 in that Oaklawn Park handicap - he got bought up and has been drubbed a couple of times in Saudi Arabia.

Tiago had already won the Santa Anita Derby - and was 3rd in the Belmont Stakes in a race where he got no pace at all before ever racing on a synthetic track.

He's basically about the same on both surfaces.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Reporting for Duty was 3rd beaten 6 in that Oaklawn Park handicap - he got bought up and has been drubbed a couple of times in Saudi Arabia.

Tiago had already won the Santa Anita Derby - and was 3rd in the Belmont Stakes in a race where he got no pace at all before ever racing on a synthetic track.

He's basically about the same on both surfaces.

Tiago is so much better on dirt, what syn race has he won that he beat anything. He has been mismanaged.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Tiago is so much better on dirt, what syn race has he won that he beat anything. He has been mismanaged.

His first two starts on it were good:

Start #1: Won a Grade 2 stake by 2.5 lengths over Albertis Maxiumus

Start #2: Won a Grade 1 stake by a nose over next out BC Classic 3rd place finisher Awesome Gem

He also had the best finish of any American horse in last year's Breeders Cup Classic.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Reporting for Duty was 3rd beaten 6 in that Oaklawn Park handicap - he got bought up and has been drubbed a couple of times in Saudi Arabia.

Tiago had already won the Santa Anita Derby - and was 3rd in the Belmont Stakes in a race where he got no pace at all before ever racing on a synthetic track.

He's basically about the same on both surfaces.

For what its worth (not much probably) but the surfaces in Saudi Arabia are synthetic.

[Pedigree Ann]

IMHO, AW surfaces put a premium on stamina, whether it is implicit in the pedigree or developed by the trainer. In the current state of racing in the US, a horse is likelier to get stamina from the turf runners in the pedigree than the dirt runners, leading to the impression that horses with 'turfy' peds will do better on AW. Stallions who explode the notion equating turf and AW include dyed-in-the-wool dirt stayers A.P. Indy and Tiznow.