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Old 04-19-2009, 03:50 PM
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Who will offer better value? Dunkirk or POTN ?
I'd like to hear your definition of "value" before I answer this. My guess is you are stupidly associating higher odds with value.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:57 PM
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I'd like to hear your definition of "value" before I answer this. My guess is you are stupidly associating higher odds with value.
It's pretty simple Justin. One horse who is proven on dirt and faster will be at higher odds than a horse who has never ran on dirt and is slower. I think it's pretty clear cut where the "value" is.

So I guess a genius like yourself doesn't take into account odds/returns when considering "value".

Keep burying yourself.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:58 PM
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It's pretty simple Justin. One horse who is proven on dirt and faster will be at higher odds than a horse who has never ran on dirt and is slower. I think it's pretty clear cut where the "value" is.

So I guess a genius like yourself doesn't take into account odds/returns when considering "value".

Keep burying yourself.
Let's see. I asked you to define value, and you proceeded to tell me where the value was in the Dunkirk/POTN debate.

I'll ask again.

What is your definition of value?
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:05 PM
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Let's see. I asked you to define value, and you proceeded to tell me where the value was in the Dunkirk/POTN debate.

I'll ask again.

What is your definition of value?

We are debating Dunkirk vs POTN and where there will be value. Crazy how I sticked to the topic huh.

My definiton of value ? Hopefully you can follow along. I look at risk vs reward and which scenario has a better return based on the risk I am taking. That scenario with better return vs risk offers the value. In determining "value" the return is the most important thing.

Capiche?
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:11 PM
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We are debating Dunkirk vs POTN and where there will be value. Crazy how I sticked to the topic huh.

My definiton of value ? Hopefully you can follow along. I look at risk vs reward and which scenario has a better return based on the risk I am taking. That scenario with better return vs risk offers the value.

Capiche?
This is why you are a moron. You still have no idea what the discussion is about. Here's the sequence of events:

1. You said POTN had beaten horrendous horses.
2. I pointed out that this was a ridiculous statement.
3. You rescinded your original statement.
4. Feeling defeated, you tried to turn the discussion to value.
5. I asked you to define value.
6. Instead of defining value, you told me where you felt the value was, then claimed victory.
7. I reminded you to define value.
8. You changed the topic and then claimed to be the one sticking to the topic.

I actually agree somewhat with your definition of value. But since I like POTN more than Dunkirk and I suspect they will be similar odds, I think POTN offers better value.

I think it's pretty clear here that you are at a higher level intellectually than I am. It's probably in my best interest to quit now, and retreat into hiding.
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:22 PM
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This is why you are a moron. You still have no idea what the discussion is about. Here's the sequence of events:

1. You said POTN had beaten horrendous horses.
2. I pointed out that this was a ridiculous statement.
3. You rescinded your original statement.
4. Feeling defeated, you tried to turn the discussion to value.
5. I asked you to define value.
6. Instead of defining value, you told me where you felt the value was, then claimed victory.
7. I reminded you to define value.
8. You changed the topic and then claimed to be the one sticking to the topic.

I actually agree somewhat with your definition of value. But since I like POTN more than Dunkirk and I suspect they will be similar odds, I think POTN offers better value.

I think it's pretty clear here that you are at a higher level intellectually than I am. It's probably in my best interest to quit now, and retreat into hiding.

His last two races he did beat horrendous horses. I guess I should have been more specific. I have never felt defeated. Not sure where you are getting that from.

Points 3-8 in your little list are absolutely not true. You really are an idiot Justin. Typical you. When you are wrong you just try and turn things around. I answered every thing you threw at me. I am sorry if you couldn't follow along.

Dunkirk and POTN will not be similar odds. I think you are nuts.

As far as intelligence, I am far from a genius, but when having a conversation on here with you I feel like one. This is a repeat of our little spat last year. You take things I say and try and turn them around, fail, and then give up.


This is classic Justindew.
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:26 PM
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His last two races he did beat horrendous horses. I guess I should have been more specific. I have never felt defeated. Not sure where you are getting that from.

Points 3-8 in your little list are absolutely not true. You really are an idiot Justin. Typical you. When you are wrong you just try and turn things around. I answered every thing you threw at me. I am sorry if you couldn't follow along.

Dunkirk and POTN will not be similar odds. I think you are nuts.

As far as intelligence, I am far from a genius, but when having a conversation on here with you I feel like one. This is a repeat of our little spat last year. You take things I say and try and turn them around, fail, and then give up.


This is classic Justindew.
The fact that you rescinded your original comment, the retroactive claim of sarcasm, and your mischaracterization of the topic of this debate are where I'm getting it from.
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Old 04-19-2009, 04:07 PM
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It's pretty simple Justin. One horse who is proven on dirt and faster will be at higher odds than a horse who has never ran on dirt and is slower. I think it's pretty clear cut where the "value" is.

So I guess a genius like yourself doesn't take into account odds/returns when considering "value".

Keep burying yourself.
Just curious, the POTN backer has seen him as the betting favorite in his last three races. Just the fact that he won't be close to those odds make him worth the bet to his followers?
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