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Old 04-19-2009, 01:27 PM
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Gomez made a big mistake here. Pioneer of the Nile has too many question marks. Will he take to dirt ? Can he rate/get the 1 1/4 ? His last two races he sure as hell looked like he wanted to be up close early. Plus POTN has beaten some horrendous fields. Hopefully Pletcher gives the mount to anybody but Ramon D. Hopefully Orlando Mojica isn't taken yet.
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Old 04-19-2009, 01:45 PM
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Yeah, Chocolate Candy is a monster.
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Old 04-19-2009, 02:54 PM
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Yeah, Chocolate Candy is a monster.

Don't delete this sarcastic remark after the Derby.
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Don't delete this sarcastic remark after the Derby.

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Old 04-19-2009, 02:58 PM
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Don't delete this sarcastic remark after the Derby.
Not to mention Chocolate Candy is probably the 3rd-best horse POTN has beaten this year.

I'm sure stonegossard is about 5 seconds away from reminding everyone that I said the economy was "not that bad" a year ago. But no matter how dumb of me that was, saying POTN has beaten horrendous horses this year is as asinine a statement as I have seen in a long time.

It's almost as if he's only watched one race all year. And say what you want about the SA Derby field, but it's going to produce three Derby starters.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:04 PM
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Not to mention Chocolate Candy is probably the 3rd-best horse POTN has beaten this year.

I'm sure stonegossard is about 5 seconds away from reminding everyone that I said the economy was "not that bad" a year ago. But no matter how dumb of me that was, saying POTN has beaten horrendous horses this year is as asinine a statement as I have seen in a long time.

It's almost as if he's only watched one race all year. And say what you want about the SA Derby field, but it's going to produce three Derby starters.
If he wanted to say the fields weren't that good and say that you can't compare what IWR and Papa Clem did in those races to what they have done after because they are better dirt horses, I wouldn't agree but I'd at least kind of understand. But he mentioned that the fields weren't that good in his argument of why Gomez made the wrong choice between Dunkirk and Pioneer and in comparing the fields the two of them have beaten, that makes the statement rather stupid.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:18 PM
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If he wanted to say the fields weren't that good and say that you can't compare what IWR and Papa Clem did in those races to what they have done after because they are better dirt horses, I wouldn't agree but I'd at least kind of understand. But he mentioned that the fields weren't that good in his argument of why Gomez made the wrong choice between Dunkirk and Pioneer and in comparing the fields the two of them have beaten, that makes the statement rather stupid.

Please....he barely lost to Quality Road on a speed favoring track. QR had a MUCH easier trip that day, and Dunkirk still gave him a run for his money. POTN beat IWR, who is a very nice horse, no doubt. Is he better than Quality Road, not so sure. Papa Clem beat an injured horse who was not gonna get the distance at OP, and behind that a bunch of real bad horses.

In my opinion Gomez chose a horse who is unproven on dirt and will be a question mark getting the distance. That's where I believe he made the mistake.


Hey, I hope the betting public hammers POTN,IWR, and Papa Clem. That way I will get a good price on Dunkirk.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:21 PM
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Please....he barely lost to Quality Road on a speed favoring track. QR had a MUCH easier trip that day, and Dunkirk still gave him a run for his money. POTN beat IWR, who is a very nice horse, no doubt. Is he better than Quality Road, not so sure. Papa Clem beat an injured horse who was not gonna get the distance at OP, and behind that a bunch of real bad horses.

In my opinion Gomez chose a horse who is unproven on dirt and will be a question mark getting the distance. That's where I believe he made the mistake.


Hey, I hope the betting public hammers POTN,IWR, and Papa Clem. That way I will get a good price on Dunkirk.
I think if you had been able to make this argument to Anderson and Gomez, they likely would have landed on Dunkirk. I doubt they considered any of the above.
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Please....he barely lost to Quality Road on a speed favoring track. QR had a MUCH easier trip that day, and Dunkirk still gave him a run for his money. POTN beat IWR, who is a very nice horse, no doubt. Is he better than Quality Road, not so sure. Papa Clem beat an injured horse who was not gonna get the distance at OP, and behind that a bunch of real bad horses.

In my opinion Gomez chose a horse who is unproven on dirt and will be a question mark getting the distance. That's where I believe he made the mistake.


Hey, I hope the betting public hammers POTN,IWR, and Papa Clem. That way I will get a good price on Dunkirk.

Dunkirk is going to take a ton of money and he is going to need EVERYTHING to go perfectly. I question Dunkirk's ability to get 1 1/4, especially with the way he looked after the FL derby...looked like he was going to collapse. I will admit though...he's a game SOB...he kept on trying.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:26 PM
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Please....he barely lost to Quality Road on a speed favoring track. QR had a MUCH easier trip that day, and Dunkirk still gave him a run for his money. POTN beat IWR, who is a very nice horse, no doubt. Is he better than Quality Road, not so sure. Papa Clem beat an injured horse who was not gonna get the distance at OP, and behind that a bunch of real bad horses.

In my opinion Gomez chose a horse who is unproven on dirt and will be a question mark getting the distance. That's where I believe he made the mistake.


Hey, I hope the betting public hammers POTN,IWR, and Papa Clem. That way I will get a good price on Dunkirk.
None of this changes the fact that Dunkirk has not come close to beating a better field of horses than Pioneer has. The one horse of quality that he faced, he lost to. The horses behind him that day and in his first two wins weren't better than what Pioneer has faced. Now, if you wanted to compare what Pioneer has defeated to what Quality Road has defeated, your argument would have more relevance. But to compare it to what Dunkirk has beaten is kinda....no, very.....stupid.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:08 PM
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Not to mention Chocolate Candy is probably the 3rd-best horse POTN has beaten this year.

I'm sure stonegossard is about 5 seconds away from reminding everyone that I said the economy was "not that bad" a year ago. But no matter how dumb of me that was, saying POTN has beaten horrendous horses this year is as asinine a statement as I have seen in a long time.

It's almost as if he's only watched one race all year. And say what you want about the SA Derby field, but it's going to produce three Derby starters.

Nah Justin, you embarassed yourself enough with that whole ordeal. Nothing I can say can even come close to that. Maybe I will take a sledgehammer to my head 10 to 15 times and then post something. Even then it will be tough to match your brilliance from last year.

Actually his Robert Lewis race was against some nice horses. My bad. But his last two were against some real duds.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:11 PM
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Nah Justin, you embarassed yourself enough with that whole ordeal. Nothing I can say can even come close to that. Maybe I will take a sledgehammer to my head 10 to 15 times and then post something. Even then it will be tough to match your brilliance from last year.

Actually his Robert Lewis race was against some nice horses. My bad. But his last two were against some real duds.
Hilarious.

You are a bona fide jackass.
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I actually kind of like Chocolate Candy...but, that must be because I'm a girl and I like the prettiest horsie with the cutest name. That, and I like chocolate....a lot.

I just think it's difficult to get a real read on the synthetics horses...maybe they jump up huge with the move to dirt...not unlike IWR...maybe they don't...it's a crapshoot.
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Old 04-19-2009, 03:22 PM
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Hilarious.

You are a bona fide jackass.

Justin,

You cemented yourself in the idiot hall of fame last year. After you came out of hiding (that was impressive on your part, really...you were wrong , so you high tailed it........reather gutless on your part) you still have not lost your lock on moronic commentary on here.

The fact that you have some kind of horse racing blog on here shows just have far the internet has gone. Scary.

Keep up the good work.
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