My smoke and mirrors from wind rant

[philcski]

Originally Posted by gales0678

steve -i will look at the charts myslef tonight as i can't pull them up right now

but until Dunkirk flops no once can tell anyone for sure that the track wasn't speed biased that day and while i don't like that Todd complained on live national TV , he has every right to his opinion and his opinion might be right

for GP to only card 1 two turn race on it's biggest day of the year is simply a joke for a major racetrack

(1) what Dunkirk does in his next start really doesn't have a huge relevance on what happened on Fl Derby day, considering it'll be in the biggest race of the year and a lot of other factors could affect the outcome. We should, obviously, track what happens to other runners that return from that card that could have possibly been hindered.

(2) i guess you haven't noticed how rare 9F+ dirt races are in general these days- while i'd love to see more, they have to write what they can fill, especially on their biggest day of the year.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by philcski

(1) what Dunkirk does in his next start really doesn't have a huge relevance on what happened on Fl Derby day, considering it'll be in the biggest race of the year and a lot of other factors could affect the outcome. We should, obviously, track what happens to other runners that return from that card that could have possibly been hindered.

(2) i guess you haven't noticed how rare 9F+ dirt races are in general these days- while i'd love to see more, they have to write what they can fill, especially on their biggest day of the year.

on point #2 , while they are hard to fill , doesn't the fact that the short run for to the 1st turn turn trainers off to running in these races at GP , surely something could be done with the configuartion of the track to fix this no?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by gales0678

on point #2 , while they are hard to fill , doesn't the fact that the short run for to the 1st turn turn trainers off to running in these races at GP , surely something could be done with the configuartion of the track to fix this no?

Yes, I would guess so (afraid of drawing a wide post), and not really... they decided to make it a mile and an eighth track when them renovation occurred, they have to live with it. Aqueduct, Arlington, Hialeah, and Hollywood are all 9F tracks as well so it isn't a new idea.

[the_fat_man]

Steve

I have a PDF of the charts for the dirt races on FD day. It's too large to load. Any way to get around the max size?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm not exactly following DrugS (but, then again, what else is new?).

Simply, Dunkirk's :34 3/5 three-eighths run from the five-eighths pole to the quarter pole was far from the second most memorable moment in the Derby prep season.

He didn't exactly show much seperation from Stately Charchter in that segment and the naked fraction was greatly flattered by heavy wind and an exceptionally fast track.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Simply, Dunkirk's :34 3/5 three-eighths run from the five-eighths pole to the quarter pole was far from the second most memorable moment in the Derby prep season.

He didn't exactly show much seperation from Stately Charchter in that segment and the naked fraction was greatly flattered by heavy wind and an exceptionally fast track.

drugs all kidding aisde , i have been to GP , it's right near the ocean , the wind blows heavy almost every day there no?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Simply, Dunkirk's :34 3/5 three-eighths run from the five-eighths pole to the quarter pole was far from the second most memorable moment in the Derby prep season.

He didn't exactly show much seperation from Stately Charchter in that segment and the naked fraction was greatly flattered by heavy wind and an exceptionally fast track.

Why does that show something? He dropped SC when it mattered (and all but QR). Dunkirk went on and SC got WIPED OUT, with the rest of the field.

Surely, someone who watches as many races as you do has some sense of how HUGE Dunkirk's run was that day given the setup (and the way the track was playing).

And, you don't really take anything Haskins writes seriously, do you?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why does that show something? He dropped SC when it mattered (and all but QR). Dunkirk went on and SC got WIPED OUT, with the rest of the field.

Surely, someone who watches as many races as you do has some sense of how HUGE Dunkirk's run was that day given the setup (and the way the track was playing).

And, you don't really take anything Haskins writes seriously, do you?

DrugS is the horsey board Ballantyne (or better yet, 'Drug' Henning...) A magician. What's being said isn't as important as the nifty screen captures, photoshop puffery and snappy PP windows. Everyone is left drooling and starry-eyed by his deft sleight-of-hand.

And easy on my man Haskin...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Kasept

DrugS is the horsey board Ballantyne (or better yet, 'Drug' Henning...) A magician. What's being said isn't as important as the nifty screen captures, photoshop puffery and snappy PP windows. Everyone is left drooling and starry-eyed by his deft sleight-of-hand.

What are you talking about by sleight of hand?

The screen captures and stuff only make it easier for some to understand what an incredibly stupid comment was made that I was quoting.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What are you talking about by sleight of hand?

The screen captures and stuff only make it easier for some to understand what an incredibly stupid comment was made that I was quoting.

He thinks using big words is a much more effective way to make your point.



(I'm only kidding Steve! )

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why does that show something?

If his turn move would have been as explosive as advertised a complete one paced dog biscuit he had the jump on like SC would not have been able to stay as close to him as he was through it.

[Indian Charlie]

You just don't like UBS.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If his turn move would have been as explosive as advertised a complete one paced dog biscuit he had the jump on like SC would not have been able to stay as close to him as he was through it.

Is this really true? Did SC actually run through the turn with Dunkirk? Or did SC really suck up in the 2 path while Dunkirk was actually bidding into the pace 5 wide? Was there ever a point in the race where SC actually was a threat to Dunkirk?

Dunkirk did all the turn running, against it, while SC picked up the pieces of an otherwise collapsing race. That he couldn't get by the bothered and not very good Theregoesjojo says just about all there is to say about it.

But, you're only looking to push some buttons.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Is this really true? Did SC actually run through the turn with Dunkirk? Or did SC really suck up in the 2 path while Dunkirk was actually bidding into the pace 5 wide? Was there ever a point in the race where SC actually was a threat to Dunkirk?

Dunkirk did all the turn running, against it, while SC picked up the pieces of an otherwise collapsing race. That he couldn't get by the bothered and not very good Theregoesjojo says just about all there is to say about it.

But, you're only looking to push some buttons.

fat - in my opinon since there was only 1 race that day at that distance , isn't a better way to look at the bias by seeing who won each race and where they were at the 1st call of the race?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Steve

I have a PDF of the charts for the dirt races on FD day. It's too large to load. Any way to get around the max size?

Hmmm.. Maybe...

But while I believe DT enjoys many positives absent at a certain prominent other forum, I cannot claim the technical expertise of the proprietor of that particular monolith.

I'll see what I can do...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Steve

I have a PDF of the charts for the dirt races on FD day. It's too large to load. Any way to get around the max size?

try saving all the pdf's in a folder, and zipping that folder then uploading, might work?