Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Main Forum > The Paddock
Reload this Page Who is 2nd choice
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:12 AM
CSC's Avatar
CSC CSC is offline
Arlington Park
  
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,408
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
if Gomez goes Pioneer. And if they were absolutely forced to make a decision this second, it apparently would be with Baffert.
No disrespect to Prado, but I'd rather have Dominguez if I was choosing a rider for Dunkirk. Then again if Stu Eliott or Jose Santos can find the winner's circle for the derby, perhaps all this Jockey stuff is overrated anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:18 AM
gales0678 gales0678 is offline
Oriental Park
  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: new york
Posts: 3,670
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSC
No disrespect to Prado, but I'd rather have Dominguez if I was choosing a rider for Dunkirk. Then again if Stu Eliott or Jose Santos can find the winner's circle for the derby, perhaps all this Jockey stuff is overrated anyway.
a lot of it is - usually the horse makes the jockey , Stewart Ellitot rode 3 great races in the triple crown stakes , it wasn't his fault that bailey and whoever (i can't remember) rode rock hard ten went on a sucicde mission to take down smarty jones

the great jd bailey never got to ride a mark hennig horse again after that race and stewy didn't get to go down in history with some of the other triple crown winning jocks
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:28 AM
CSC's Avatar
CSC CSC is offline
Arlington Park
  
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,408
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by gales0678
a lot of it is - usually the horse makes the jockey , Stewart Ellitot rode 3 great races in the triple crown stakes , it wasn't his fault that bailey and whoever (i can't remember) rode rock hard ten went on a sucicde mission to take down smarty jones

the great jd bailey never got to ride a mark hennig horse again after that race and stewy didn't get to go down in history with some of the other triple crown winning jocks
That's been debated before, long & hard...Long story short Bailey and Hennig told everyone before the race what their intentions were, that is why Hennig blew him out in 46 and change. If I am wrong someone will correct me but I'm sure even with a memory as bad as mine, I can recall the Eddington saga.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:30 AM
gales0678 gales0678 is offline
Oriental Park
  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: new york
Posts: 3,670
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by CSC
That's been debated before, long & hard...Long story short Bailey and Hennig told everyone before the race what their intentions were, that is why Hennig blew him out in 46 and change. If I am wrong someone will correct me but I'm sure even with a memory as bad as mine, I can recall the Eddington saga.
then if bailey did what he was told why did he never ride for mark again ?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:35 AM
NTamm1215 NTamm1215 is offline
Havre de Grace
  
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,629
Default
I think Pletcher should go with Jorge Chavez if Gomez opts off.

He has more Derbies than GG has Triple Crown victories combined and his confidence is soaring riding the hair off these maidens and claimers every day.

NT
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:41 AM
Travis Stone's Avatar
Travis Stone Travis Stone is offline
Oaklawn
  
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 2,229
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I think Pletcher should go with Jorge Chavez if Gomez opts off.

He has more Derbies than GG has Triple Crown victories combined and his confidence is soaring riding the hair off these maidens and claimers every day.

NT
When Chavez pulls-out that whip in shotgun-like fashion he'll scared be out of his mind.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:42 AM
CSC's Avatar
CSC CSC is offline
Arlington Park
  
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,408
Default
Seriously isn't Ramon a better finisher than Edgar right now?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:36 AM
gales0678 gales0678 is offline
Oriental Park
  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: new york
Posts: 3,670
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Is not being able to ride for Mark Hennig anymore a bad thing?
stupid post of the day alert?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:49 AM
gales0678 gales0678 is offline
Oriental Park
  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: new york
Posts: 3,670
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Coming from you, that's an honor. Nothing against Hennig, but I must be forgetting all of the stakes horses Bailey missed out on riding. Who were they?

Eddington did win from off the pace the next year in a g1 so he did miss out on that one

but your reason must be the reason why , henning stinks, his horses stink, and that is why after the belmont Jerry decided not to take anymore mounts offered to him!

maybe to clear things up Steve can get the owners of Eddington on the show and ask them what they thought of JD's ride in the belmont?
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:52 AM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 44,318
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by gales0678
Eddington did win from off the pace the next year in a g1 so he did miss out on that one

but your reason must be the reason why , henning stinks, his horses stink, and that is why after the belmont Jerry decided not to take anymore mounts offered to him!

maybe to clear things up Steve can get the owners of Eddington on the show and ask them what they thought of JD's ride in the belmont?
Peter Willmott.. Would be happy to talk to him. He's originally from up here. Glens Falls or Lake George I think.. I always liked Eddington. Think he's going to be a good sire too.
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-16-2009, 12:00 PM
CSC's Avatar
CSC CSC is offline
Arlington Park
  
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 4,408
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by gales0678
Eddington did win from off the pace the next year in a g1 so he did miss out on that one

but your reason must be the reason why , henning stinks, his horses stink, and that is why after the belmont Jerry decided not to take anymore mounts offered to him!

maybe to clear things up Steve can get the owners of Eddington on the show and ask them what they thought of JD's ride in the belmont?
Or ask why he worked him fast before the Belmont and added blinkers. Obvious isn't it?
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:47 AM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 44,318
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by gales0678
a lot of it is - usually the horse makes the jockey , Stewart Ellitot rode 3 great races in the triple crown stakes , it wasn't his fault that bailey and whoever (i can't remember) rode rock hard ten went on a sucicde mission to take down smarty jones.
Solis.
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 04-16-2009, 11:48 AM
Kasept's Avatar
Kasept Kasept is offline
Steve Byk
  
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Greenwich, NY
Posts: 44,318
Default
Just heard from Hammerle that the 'Espinoza on' Pioneer buzz is at a fever pitch as of this morning at Santa Anita...
__________________
All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine
Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 04-16-2009, 12:05 PM
-BT- -BT- is offline
The Curragh
  
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: 60613
Posts: 2,622
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasept
Just heard from Hammerle that the 'Espinoza on' Pioneer buzz is at a fever pitch as of this morning at Santa Anita...

YES


everything's turning up millhouse


-bt-
Reply With Quote
Reply

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:20 AM.

Contact Us - Derby Trail Steve Byk Steve’s Notes DT Stables DT Shoppe Gallery Contact Links Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.