Who Will Be The Pace Setter In The Derby?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

pamplemousse would never have gotten 10 furlongs on the dirt. He wouldn't get 9 furlongs at Keeneland either.

He was a talented horse who could control the pace and whose aptitude for turf was carrying him farther than his genetic ability over that pro-ride surface.

Are you sure? You weren't watching the same races I was watching, I know a distanced challenged Kafwain argument is not far way, all I know is he had a high cruising speed and he certainly didn't look distance challenged the way he won his races.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by CSC

Are you sure? You weren't watching the same races I was watching, I know a distanced challenged Kafwain argument is not far way, all I know is he had a high cruising speed and he certainly didn't look distance challenged the way he won his races.

we'll never know , maybe he would have won the KY Derby.

I base opinion on the following

his conduit mare stamina index is extremely poor. Worse than nearly all 2009 derby contenders, and worse than any derby winner in at least the last 30 years

my observation that horses who like the pro-ride surface can race and train at longer distances than they normally could
-related that Pamplemousse has good breeding for a turf sprinter, and he has a high knee action in his stride which also hints that he likes turf.

Being by Kafwain probably doesn't help, I'm not too sire oriented but it probably isn't a big positive

I think he would be fine on dirt, just that he would quit after a mile or so

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

he has a high knee action in his stride which also hints that he likes turf.

You do realize they said the same thing about Barbaro? I do think at times we are too engrossed with pedigree when we should just concentrate if a horse can run.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by CSC

You do realize they said the same thing about Barbaro? I do think at times we are too engrossed with pedigree when we should just concentrate if a horse can run.

apples and oranges

Barbaro had the best conduit mare stamina index of any Derby winner in at least the last 37 years.

Barbaro had proven himself over real turf to get the distance.

Barbaro didn't run on the pro ride ride surface, potentially masking his distance deficiencies.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think some of the posts in this thread should be moved to the bulls.hit thread.....immediately.

We are approaching KYRIM "crossfiring" analyses at this point.
I actually noticed a horse at Keeneland doing that the other day.



He won by 5.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think some of the posts in this thread should be moved to the bulls.hit thread.....immediately.

I nominate all my posts to be moved to the bull$hit thread. I should be working...but I'm wasting my time on this board.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by CSC

I nominate all my posts to be moved to the bull$hit thread. I should be working...but I'm wasting my time on this board.

I say who gives a $hit about work. I can make (or lose) a lot more money on the Kentucky Derby than I can at my fu.cking job right now! Prioritization is the key to success, right?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

I say who gives a $hit about work. I can make (or lose) a lot more money on the Kentucky Derby than I can at my fu.cking job right now! Prioritization is the key to success, right?

ah...okay Phil