Dunkirk -- 2 Questions

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

then Pletcher should have made a late scratch if he felt that strongly.
He could have ran 2nd in the Wood.

I think you will get at least 10-1

btw

did you notice how spent DoneKirk was after the race?

if the horse couldn't hold his form and keep his weight on during a three race 'campaign', how will he ever be physically able to handle the derby and the training required beforehand?

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if the horse couldn't hold his form and keep his weight on during a three race 'campaign', how will he ever be physically able to handle the derby and the training required beforehand?

A friend of mine was telling me how skinny he looked that day. I didn't notice. I always thought he was a little on the small side.

[Danzig]

there's a reason (or several) why this horse has been so lightly raced. i don't think the derby should be on his schedule. a horse that has to be handled with kid gloves shouldn't be put in that scenario. too much, too soon for him i feel.

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by Danzig

there's a reason (or several) why this horse has been so lightly raced. i don't think the derby should be on his schedule. a horse that has to be handled with kid gloves shouldn't be put in that scenario. too much, too soon for him i feel.

Course if he ends up winning the Derby it will become a total different story altogether.

[SOREHOOF]

I don't mind him in the Derby, but win or lose he should skip the Preakness.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I don't mind him in the Derby, but win or lose he should skip the Preakness.

why?

and if he wins, you really think they'd skip maryland? barring injury of course.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

why?

and if he wins, you really think they'd skip maryland? barring injury of course.

Triple crown glory is an overwhelming temptation, but he will have to put in an even bigger move to win the Derby. I can't see him being ready to fire off another big shot 2 weeks later. 5 weeks off then back for the Belmont. I do think he has a good shot in the Derby.

[SOREHOOF]

I think 99% of the time trainers are talking to the owners during post race interviews. Deflecting blame and keeping dreams alive.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Who is Dunkirk again?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I don't mind him in the Derby, but win or lose he should skip the Preakness.

I agree. If he wins The Kentucky Derby he should most definitely skip The Preakness.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I agree. If he wins The Kentucky Derby he should most definitely skip The Preakness.

but should he run back again on Belmont Stakes day?

And if so - would you stretch him out and run in the Belmont Stakes or cut him back and run in the Woody Stephens?

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

but should he run back again on Belmont Stakes day?

And if so - would you stretch him out and run in the Belmont Stakes or cut him back and run in the Woody Stephens?

heh heh!

As for Dunkirk's odds on Derby Day, barring a training setback I think he'll go off around 7-1. He was being offered between 7-1 and 8-1 at offshores before yesterday's races. Nothing happened to affect that much yesterday. If IWR or QR doesn't start, Dunkirk will obviously go off at lower odds.

--Dunbar

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I don't mind him in the Derby, but win or lose he should skip the Preakness.

what horse that wins the derby will skip the preakness? only a hurt one. its triple crown glory and fever after a horse wins the derby. none of these people are going to pass that up unless the horse is hurt.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

what horse that wins the derby will skip the preakness? only a hurt one. its triple crown glory and fever after a horse wins the derby. none of these people are going to pass that up unless the horse is hurt.

I imagine that's true.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

what horse that wins the derby will skip the preakness? only a hurt one. its triple crown glory and fever after a horse wins the derby. none of these people are going to pass that up unless the horse is hurt.

Gato del Sol did. Skipped it because he needed more distance, then the Belmont came up sloppy and Conquistador Cielo skipped along on the lead (Gato was second).

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Gato del Sol did. Skipped it because he needed more distance, then the Belmont came up sloppy and Conquistador Cielo skipped along on the lead (Gato was second).

Spend a Buck did it 3 years later (1985) because of the big bonus offered by another track. I think that led to purse increases for each of the TC races.

--Dunbar

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

He's no Curlin......

[CSC]

If you don't like him, he will atleast add money to the pool. He's going to take some money that's for sure.

[kevinm11]

I think he'll be the so-called "wise guy" horse this year, because he ran against the bias at GP and still ran 2nd, and it was only his 3rd lifetime start, and all the so-called experts are all over him. In my opinion he'll be overbet like in the 6/1 to 8/1 range. Without any foundation I can't touch him on the win end for a few reasons...I don't think the pace in this derby will be very fast, and of course I mentioned his lack of foundation. Also, everyone is comparing him to Big Brown. The field Big Brown beat is nothing close to this year's crop. Big Brown would not be a standout this year. I think he'll be in the Derby and will do no better than 3rd or 4th.

[Thunder Gulch]

Dunkirk was less than even money in his first go in a stakes against Quality Road (and others) who had just run a 113 Beyer in a very impressive FOY win. You can guarantee that Dunkirk-Pletcher- Gomez? will be overbet regardless of whether or not you think he can win.