Belmont the Fall Championship Meet

[Gander]

No I am with you guys on the BC should not define eclipse awards. Thats as silly as saying the team with the best record in the AL should play the team with the best record in the NL in 1 single game to decide the world champs, and do away with round of 5 and 7 game series in the playoffs.

I'm saying for this year, its actually going to work out. The horse out of those 3 who wins the Classic fully deserves to be HOY.

Originally Posted by Gander

No I am with you guys on the BC should not define eclipse awards. Thats as silly as saying the team with the best record in the AL should play the team with the best record in the NL in 1 single game to decide the world champs, and do away with round of 5 and 7 game series in the playoffs.

I'm saying for this year, its actually going to work out. The horse out of those 3 who wins the Classic fully deserves to be HOY.

agreed, but if one of em doesnt?

[Gander]

I guess it all depends on how many of these 3 show up and actually run in the BC. There are so many circumstances if one of these 3 should not win.

We still have to see how these 3 do in their next races. Then it will become a little clearer on what happens if a surprise horse jumps up and wins the BC.

Tim,
Don't you see the problem? What if one of em doesnt win? Then what?
Thats the problem Tim, older horses spend the year ducking each other because thats whats smart. WHy would Invasor or Lava have shipped this year to meet each other when they could stay home and win grade ones. Suppose they run 6th and 7th in the BC, it happens Tim. Speed duels, injuries, bad rides, not liking the track, etc.
Thats the rub. How you decide which horse was better if they both don't fire when they meet? The cup encourages only year end meetings between horses, and often times their form isnt the same as it was earlier in the year.
It deprives fans and racetracks from good all year round matchups.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Tim,
Don't you see the problem? What if one of em doesnt win? Then what?
Thats the problem Tim, older horses spend the year ducking each other because thats whats smart. WHy would Invasor or Lava have shipped this year to meet each other when they could stay home and win grade ones. Suppose they run 6th and 7th in the BC, it happens Tim. Speed duels, injuries, bad rides, not liking the track, etc.
Thats the rub. How you decide which horse was better if they both don't fire when they meet? The cup encourages only year end meetings between horses, and often times their form isnt the same as it was earlier in the year.
It deprives fans and racetracks from good all year round matchups.

Wouldnt you say race grading also has something to do with the ducking? I have always said that the races should be graded AFTER they have been run or not at all. Too many phoney graded stake races out there.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Wouldnt you say race grading also has something to do with the ducking? I have always said that the races should be graded AFTER they have been run or not at all. Too many phoney graded stake races out there.

Well there is too many Graded Races in my opinion. Here is a list of Grade I's for 2006 for males 3 year old and up at a distance longer than 1 mile.

Belmont
Breeders Cup Classic
Cigar Mile
Clark Handicap
Donn Handicap
Florida Derby
Haskell
Hollywood Gold Cup
Jockey Club Gold Cup
Kentucky Derby
Metropolitan
Pacific Classic
Pimlico Speical
Preakness
Santa Anita Derby
Santa Anita Handicap
Stephen Foster
Suburban
Toyota Bluegrass Stakes
Travers
Whitney
Wood Memorial
Woodward Stakes

23 Grade I Stakes. That is insane.

Racing was much better off before the Breeders Cup, thats the bottom line.

The slogan should be "Racings championship Day that's turned great days all year long into mediocre ones!!!"

Originally Posted by oracle80

Racing was much better off before the Breeders Cup, thats the bottom line.

The slogan should be "Racings championship Day that's turned great days all year long into mediocre ones!!!"

I cant we both agree on this Oracle. I have been saying for years that the Breeders Cup is bad for racing. In theory it is a great idea. But it has taken a whole different look than its intention.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by oracle80

agreed, but if one of em doesnt?

Wouldn't it be funny if someone like Lawyer Ron just went out there and stroked them all on BC day?

Johnny McKee would be hanging on for dear life...