Mullins/Gato Go Win SCR story emerging

[Danzig]

from drf:


Mullins said it wasn't until after he administered the Air Power to Gato Go Win that security guards began asking questions.

mullins doing a dance about whether IWR got anything before the gotham. he said air power was sent over to the det barn with the colt that day as well. mullins claims he had two ny guys take the colt over that day, that he didn't go to the barn at all, and his own guys couldn't get licensed.

[CSC]

I wonder if Mullins applied Airpower without a syringe, would this story have any legs? I can't remember the poster's name but she sounded knowledgeable when she said it was the equivalent of giving a horse a cough drop, all this trouble for a menthol type based application?

[sumitas]

The detention barn is there for a reason . Mullins knows the rules . He broke them according to all accounts . It was not "an innocent mistake" imo . It's up to the NYRA to do the right thing now since Mullins was not able to do so . The NYRA did scratch the horse which was the right thing to do at the time .

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by CSC

I wonder if Mullins applied Airpower without a syringe, would this story have any legs? I can't remember the poster's name but she sounded knowledgeable when she said it was the equivalent of giving a horse a cough drop, all this trouble for a menthol type based application?

In the detention barn, I have to think it would be a big deal oral syringe or not.

The fact that he so much as admitted he was giving the same application to multiple horses, was probably about the worst thing he could say. Certianly goes against the "Gato Go Win just needed a cough drop" defense...

[dellinger63]

I just hope tomorrow we don't hear, "we will not comment on specifics as the incident is under investigation" but I know we will.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by O2 CSC

I wonder if Mullins applied Airpower without a syringe, would this story have any legs? I can't remember the poster's name but she sounded knowledgeable when she said it was the equivalent of giving a horse a cough drop, all this trouble for a menthol type based application?

This is exactly the point. Guanefisin is a mucolytic or a cough syrup which has absolutely zero measurable benefit to horses, humans or rodents like Mullins. The Air Power syringe HAD to be a decoy for something else he was giving.

Mullins used the oral syringe to carry "Drug X" (no offense Drugs) so that if he was caught he had his "It's only Air Power" excuse readily available.

Let me give you a very real example of a drug that could have been used here.

DNAse or Dornase Alpha is a medication we use in humans (normally nebulized but one would think a well placed oral syringe may be of benefit).
This medication was a break through for kids with Cystic Fibosis who could not mobilize secretions or clear this very thick tenacious mucus from their airways or lungs. This problem is commonly associated with CF.

The genius of the medication is that part of it's mechanism of action was to turn itself into water after thinning these cement like secretions. So the drug literally turns the cement like substance in the lungs of these kids into water vapor that is exhaled.......which of course would make it undetectable should you want to test for it.

Hopefully the benefit to a guy like Mullins with a stakes horse or two in the detention barn is obvious....

Let your imagination unwind a little further and you realize that the terminal reaction of turning the Drug X,Y or Z into water vapor or actually CO2 and H20 could be used with any medication as long as it is constructed to metabolize to CO2 and H2O.

The same chemistry that created DNAse for CF kids to melt secretions could be used to 1) administer stimulants 2) anabolic meds etc. etc etc. The possibilities are endless. If you could give any cheating compound and have it metabolize to water vapor it doesn't matter what you start with. The effects of the initial med are undetectable and the logic that all cheating substances are measurable in urine or blood is a fairy tale. The whole idea doesn't require a brilliant chemist as the technology is already very well known.

Interestingly Mullins was catchable Saturday, if the syringe and it's contents were tested by HPLC or chromotography against an "Air Power" control. If you compared the pattern of the control to the syringe Mullins had Saturday and if additional spikes were present or isolated, it would prove he wasn't just using Air Power as the drug only turns to water if it comes in contact with mucus. My guess is Mullins isn't aware of that....

Now again the facts above are all legit but I have no insider knowledge that this is what actually Mullins did. I just wanted to lay out how easy it would be for him to pull this off in the Detention Barn last Saturday.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This is exactly the point. Guanefisin is a mucolytic or a cough syrup which has absolutely zero measurable benefit to horses, humans or rodents like Mullins. The Air Power syringe HAD to be a decoy for something else he was giving.

Mullins used the oral syringe to carry "Drug X" (no offense Drugs) so that if he was caught he had his "It's only Air Power" excuse readily available.

Let me give you a very real example of a drug that could have been used here.

DNAse or Dornase Alpha is a medication we use in humans (normally nebulized but one would think a well placed oral syringe may be of benefit).
This medication was a break through for kids with Cystic Fibosis who could not mobilize secretions or clear this very thick tenacious mucus from their airways or lungs. This problem is commonly associated with CF.

The genius of the medication is that part of it's mechanism of action was to turn itself into water after thinning these cement like secretions. So the drug literally turns the cement like substance in the lungs of these kids into water vapor that is exhaled.......which of course would make it undetectable should you want to test for it.

Hopefully the benefit to a guy like Mullins with a stakes horse or two in the detention barn is obvious....

Let your imagination unwind a little further and you realize that the terminal reaction of turning the Drug X,Y or Z into water vapor or actually CO2 and H20 could be used with any medication as long as it is constructed to metabolize to CO2 and H2O.

The same chemistry that created DNAse for CF kids to melt secretions could be used to 1) administer stimulants 2) anabolic meds etc. etc etc. The possibilities are endless. If you could give any cheating compound and have it metabolize to water vapor it doesn't matter what you start with. The effects of the initial med are undetectable and the logic that all cheating substances are measurable in urine or blood is a fairy tale. The whole idea doesn't require a brilliant chemist as the technology is already very well known.

Interestingly Mullins was catchable Saturday, if the syringe and it's contents were tested by HPLC or chromotography against an "Air Power" control. If you compared the pattern of the control to the syringe Mullins had Saturday and if additional spikes were present or isolated, it would prove he wasn't just using Air Power as the drug only turns to water if it comes in contact with mucus. My guess is Mullins isn't aware of that....

Now again the facts above are all legit but I have no insider knowledge that this is what actually Mullins did. I just wanted to lay out how easy it would be for him to pull this off in the Detention Barn last Saturday.

D*mn you're smart. Some serious CSI work here. Side question, so this drug really has been effective for CF?

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by philcski

D*mn you're smart. Some serious CSI work here. Side question, so this drug really has been effective for CF?

Oh yeah the drug works really well for CF patients.....which despite the thick mucous issue the disease is complicated by another functional deficit known as immotile cilia syndrome or the hair cells don't project the mucous forward so they can't cough the stuff up denovo thats why the drug is such a remarkable discovery. And no I am really not any where near as smart as Hooves or GPK....just to name a few

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This is exactly the point. Guanefisin is a mucolytic or a cough syrup which has absolutely zero measurable benefit to horses, humans or rodents like Mullins. The Air Power syringe HAD to be a decoy for something else he was giving.

Mullins used the oral syringe to carry "Drug X" (no offense Drugs) so that if he was caught he had his "It's only Air Power" excuse readily available.

Let me give you a very real example of a drug that could have been used here.

DNAse or Dornase Alpha is a medication we use in humans (normally nebulized but one would think a well placed oral syringe may be of benefit).
This medication was a break through for kids with Cystic Fibosis who could not mobilize secretions or clear this very thick tenacious mucus from their airways or lungs. This problem is commonly associated with CF.

The genius of the medication is that part of it's mechanism of action was to turn itself into water after thinning these cement like secretions. So the drug literally turns the cement like substance in the lungs of these kids into water vapor that is exhaled.......which of course would make it undetectable should you want to test for it.

Hopefully the benefit to a guy like Mullins with a stakes horse or two in the detention barn is obvious....

Let your imagination unwind a little further and you realize that the terminal reaction of turning the Drug X,Y or Z into water vapor or actually CO2 and H20 could be used with any medication as long as it is constructed to metabolize to CO2 and H2O.

The same chemistry that created DNAse for CF kids to melt secretions could be used to 1) administer stimulants 2) anabolic meds etc. etc etc. The possibilities are endless. If you could give any cheating compound and have it metabolize to water vapor it doesn't matter what you start with. The effects of the initial med are undetectable and the logic that all cheating substances are measurable in urine or blood is a fairy tale. The whole idea doesn't require a brilliant chemist as the technology is already very well known.

Interestingly Mullins was catchable Saturday, if the syringe and it's contents were tested by HPLC or chromotography against an "Air Power" control. If you compared the pattern of the control to the syringe Mullins had Saturday and if additional spikes were present or isolated, it would prove he wasn't just using Air Power as the drug only turns to water if it comes in contact with mucus. My guess is Mullins isn't aware of that....

Now again the facts above are all legit but I have no insider knowledge that this is what actually Mullins did. I just wanted to lay out how easy it would be for him to pull this off in the Detention Barn last Saturday.

Boomer...Thx hope Gunner is doing well

[paisjpq]

Does it even matter WHAT he was trying to give the horse? I don't care if he was feeding a peppermint, the point is you can't give ANYTHING in the detention barn. And that's why he should be punished.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

Does it even matter WHAT he was trying to give the horse? I don't care if he was feeding a peppermint, the point is you can't give ANYTHING in the detention barn. And that's why he should be punished.

true.
but i think they should test the syringe, see just what was in there. perhaps his punishment could be extended beyond carrying a syringe and giving air power.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

Does it even matter WHAT he was trying to give the horse? I don't care if he was feeding a peppermint, the point is you can't give ANYTHING in the detention barn. And that's why he should be punished.

Thank you for bringing this thread back to reality.

[Danzig]

just opened the april 18 bloodhorse, and found this in an article about mullins and gato go win~

"(Mullins) just wasn't thinking and just made a mistake. He thought it was okay. With all the hype and excitement with I Want Revenge, he just didn't realize what he was doing." -Randy Hartley



doesn't sound as tho there will be a trainer switch for hartley/de renzo. they obviously agree with his type of operation, so what does that say about them?

perhaps i should have posted the above quote in the bullsh!t thread, because it reeks of bs to me.

mullins wasn't thinking? he thought it was okay?!?! if anyone knows what the rules are regarding a D barn, it would be JM-he's run out of them before.

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by docicu3

This is exactly the point. Guanefisin is a mucolytic or a cough syrup which has absolutely zero measurable benefit to horses, humans or rodents like Mullins. The Air Power syringe HAD to be a decoy for something else he was giving. ...

Now again the facts above are all legit but I have no insider knowledge that this is what actually Mullins did. I just wanted to lay out how easy it would be for him to pull this off in the Detention Barn last Saturday.

Doc, great post...

[slotdirt]

Has anybody read paulickreport.com's coverage of this? John Scheinmann (RIP, Washington Post horse racing coverage) wrote a pretty interesting article on Mullins back in 2005 with quotes from the CHRB.

[10 pnt move up]

I laugh at the thought of this being a big deal. Like racing cares about drugs, the states sure dont, what do states care about right now, money? What do owners care about right now? Are fans going to change anything they do because they know that Mullins, are about 95% of the trainers are cheating? No, this is soooo much to do about nothing, it shows Mullins as an idiot, but didnt we already know this?

[CSC]

Roger Clemons.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

it is confusing when every other article I read claims that they caught him attempting to administer.

if you are attempting you have not yet succeeded in doing

i guess it was after he gave it thru the syringe. at any rate, i find it laughable that his defense is 'they let me in with it'. almost as good as the 'do you think i'm stupid' defense ala steve ass.

[Danzig]

from drf:

Steep fines for two trainers

Trainer Jorge Lara, who was taken into custody last Friday at Oaklawn and charged with public intoxication, has been fined $2,500 by the Oaklawn stewards as a result of the incident. In a ruling issued Wednesday, Lara was cited for "having an alcohol content higher than .05 percent while having direct physical contact with horses on the day's racing program."

Lara, who was released a few hours after being taken into custody, faces a possible civil fine during a court date set for April 28 in Hot Springs.

In other rulings, trainer Rusty Hellman was fined $1,000 and suspended 30 days "for possession of a needle and syringe on the backside containing residue of salicylic acid." Hellman's suspension runs through April 27.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

from drf:

Steep fines for two trainers

Trainer Jorge Lara, who was taken into custody last Friday at Oaklawn and charged with public intoxication, has been fined $2,500 by the Oaklawn stewards as a result of the incident. In a ruling issued Wednesday, Lara was cited for "having an alcohol content higher than .05 percent while having direct physical contact with horses on the day's racing program."

Lara, who was released a few hours after being taken into custody, faces a possible civil fine during a court date set for April 28 in Hot Springs.

In other rulings, trainer Rusty Hellman was fined $1,000 and suspended 30 days "for possession of a needle and syringe on the backside containing residue of salicylic acid." Hellman's suspension runs through April 27.

Beastiality ?