3-year-olds with a look in The Met Mile

[King Glorious]

The trainers/owners of:

Conquistador Cielo (1982 winner, 3yo champ, HOY)
Gulch (1987)
Housebuster (2nd 1990 between Criminal Type and Easy Goer, sprint champ)
Dixie Brass (1992)
Holy Bull (1994, 3yo champ, HOY)
Honour and Glory

Would all agree. Too much, too soon.

The weight break that a 3yo would get this early in the year makes this the perfect time to do it. What is the difference between facing a 4yo at 8f or a fellow 3yo at 8f? You still have to run the distance in 93-95 seconds. If you have a 3yo that can run a 1:34 and run a 110 Beyer, are you going to tell me that he can't beat a horse that runs 1:35 and 100 simply because that horse is 4yo or older? Especially when the 3yo might be getting a weight break of 8-10 lbs?

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The trainers/owners of:

Conquistador Cielo (1982 winner, 3yo champ, HOY)
Gulch (1987)
Housebuster (2nd 1990 between Criminal Type and Easy Goer, sprint champ)
Dixie Brass (1992)
Holy Bull (1994, 3yo champ, HOY)
Honour and Glory

Would all agree. Too much, too soon.

The weight break that a 3yo would get this early in the year makes this the perfect time to do it. What is the difference between facing a 4yo at 8f or a fellow 3yo at 8f? You still have to run the distance in 93-95 seconds. If you have a 3yo that can run a 1:34 and run a 110 Beyer, are you going to tell me that he can't beat a horse that runs 1:35 and 100 simply because that horse is 4yo or older? Especially when the 3yo might be getting a weight break of 8-10 lbs?

imo it would be wise to look for a softer spot amongst peers and allow the 3 yr old to develop one race at a time .

[blackthroatedwind]

This is why posting sensible stuff is near impossible. It's like trying to have an intelligent conversation at a party and having some nitwit continuously interrupting with senseless jibberish.

[sumitas]

I like to see horses develop not pushed to the max or beyond their max asap . Just my opinion . Maybe these 3 year olds can win the Met . That sweeping one turn mile at Belmont is conducive to their more fragile physiology at 3 I'll grant you that .

It's kind of odd to me that horse racing seems to start at the top and then the horses are dropped if they falter . Kind of a reverse development if you look at the way any other athletes are developed .

[philcski]

Originally Posted by sumitas

I like to see horses develop not pushed to the max or beyond their max asap . Just my opinion . Maybe these 3 year olds can win the Met . That sweeping one turn mile at Belmont is conducive to their more fragile physiology at 3 I'll grant you that .

It's kind of odd to me that horse racing seems to start at the top and then the horses are dropped if they falter . Kind of a reverse development if you look at the way any other athletes are developed .

How about the fact that all of the horses mentioned HAVE been competing at the highest levels, and the Met Mile would actually be LESS DEMANDING than the alternative?

I'm all for the safety of the horses, but do you ever think before you write?

[sumitas]

I'll ignore the rude posters .

Horse racing is outside the mainstream of developing their athletes . That is clear . Any other sport develops from the bottom up . It seems to me horse racing, in general , rushes their athletes to their detriment and to the detriment of the sport .

[philcski]

Originally Posted by sumitas

I'll ignore the rude posters .

Horse racing is outside the mainstream of developing their athletes . That is clear . Any other sport develops from the bottom up . It seems to me horse racing, in general , rushes their athletes to their detriment and to the detriment of the sport .

Who's being rude?

Seems to me there's a lot of good ideas in this thread and one dissenter, while good intentioned, not seeing the picture correctly.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by sumitas

I'll ignore the rude posters .

Horse racing is outside the mainstream of developing their athletes . That is clear . Any other sport develops from the bottom up . It seems to me horse racing, in general , rushes their athletes to their detriment and to the detriment of the sport .

Why dont you do everyone a favor and IGNORE us, as in ignore this website.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by philcski

How about the fact that all of the horses mentioned HAVE been competing at the highest levels, and the Met Mile would actually be LESS DEMANDING than the alternative?

I'm all for the safety of the horses, but do you ever think before you write?

Exactly. The fact is that this year, it looks like the 3yos are overall a better group of horses than the older ones. In that light, staying in your own division and facing those horses would be the more demanding thing to do.

[Linny]

Any 3yo that is in the top 10-15 in graded earnings right now is pretty much a known commodity. If you have a sharp 3yo with the look of a miler, you're crazy not to try. The whole "go slow and see what we have" thing is crazy after having pressed for graded earnings on the Derby prep trail.
If I had a 3yo that just won an allowance in April do I toss him in the Met? No-though this year might be different. OTOH, if he has some foundation and is tested and wants a mile, why not?
Id rather take a shot than get sucked into races like the Peter Pan, Dwyer, Haskell, Jim Dandy at longer routes for no glory. I go to the Met and can still get back 5 weeks later in the Dwyer if I choose.

Regal Ransom would be a Met type but I'll be betting on him returning i the Discovery instead. The 'Mousse to, had he not gotten hurt.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The trainers/owners of:

Conquistador Cielo (1982 winner, 3yo champ, HOY)
Gulch (1987)

and of course the connections of those two were so perplexed they went ahead and ran in the Belmont Stakes 12 days later...and finished 1st and 3rd respectively. No, the sport hasn't changed much at all!!

[Travis Stone]

What about Stardom Bound in the Met Mile?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

What about Stardom Bound in the Met Mile?

What about Nicanor?

NT

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

What about Nicanor?

NT

Think we could get any value?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

What about Stardom Bound in the Met Mile?

I heard fillies get to start from the 7/8ths pole on the turf!

[Linny]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

and of course the connections of those two were so perplexed they went ahead and ran in the Belmont Stakes 12 days later...and finished 1st and 3rd respectively. No, the sport hasn't changed much at all!!

When CC did it the Belmont was 5 days after the Met Mile!

[packerbacker7964]

With the way everything is going unless Commentater was entered I'd run the Met Mile with a short horse before I'd try the Derby with hm. Old Fashioned would run better in the Met Mile with a higher placing then the Derby.