Mullins/Gato Go Win SCR story emerging

chucklestheclown · #1 04-05-2009, 08:45 PM

Air power is not allowed?

Kasept · #2 04-05-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Air power is not allowed?

NOTHING is allowed 6 hours before the race. The horse are in a detention barn just so they cannot be administered to...

chucklestheclown · #3 04-05-2009, 08:52 PM

Obviously his watch was still on pacific time.

justindew · #4 04-05-2009, 08:55 PM

I think reaction to this is overly harsh, as the NTRA will undoubtedly dispatch a Blue Ribbon panel to investigate and give a thumbs up or a thumbs down.

I think this should be the last post on the subject until the NTRA has had a chance to weigh in.

Linny · #5 04-05-2009, 08:58 PM

I wonder if his bringing a syring to the D-barn could have prevented IWR from even running. He got caught over the Bay Shore colt but did he have one there for IWR too?
Could the stewards just said that as "the trainer of IWR has an illegal substance and delivery method" we must scratch all his horses.

paisjpq · #6 04-05-2009, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

I wonder if his bringing a syring to the D-barn could have prevented IWR from even running. He got caught over the Bay Shore colt but did he have one there for IWR too?
Could the stewards just said that as "the trainer of IWR has an illegal substance and delivery method" we must scratch all his horses.

I thought the same thing..

pointman · #7 04-05-2009, 09:03 PM

If he was caught red handed, I would imagine he may face criminal charges. It is a crime to attempt to tamper with a pari-mutual contest in New York State.

Kasept · #8 04-05-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Really, has that been prosecuted before in New York?

If so, who were the owner(s) and trainer involved?

It's been threatened in many incidents and then hasn't been part of final penalty agreements.

Linny · #9 04-05-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

It's been threatened in many incidents and then hasn't been part of final penalty agreements.

How is it that now perps get to negotiate their penalties? And we wonder what's wrong?

Kasept · #10 04-05-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Tongue in cheek.

Got ya, but it is brought up in the initial phases of any incident. I think it doesn't get pressed because it's akin to proving conspiracy which is very difficult. If it didn't get used in the Greg Martin/IEAH horse case, I imagine it will never be used.

Mustanada · #11 04-05-2009, 09:27 PM

After an investigation and if the facts prove true NYRA should ban Mullins for a lengthly period if not life. I suspect other states will give a look as well. This is the correct time to clean the game if it is to survive.

philcski · #12 04-05-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Really, has that been prosecuted before in New York?

If so, who were the owner(s) and trainer involved?

Greg Martin (training for IEAH

) was prosecuted for his role in the A One Rocket milkshaking. Got a fine, probation, and home confinement.

pointman · #13 04-06-2009, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Really, has that been prosecuted before in New York?

If so, who were the owner(s) and trainer involved?

It has, but here is the thing about prosecutions. A story about a trainer at Aqueduct bringing a syringe into a detention barn does not attract much attention from a DA's Office. However, when that trainer runs what looks to be the Kentucky Derby morning line favorite a few races later, that is something that could make headlines and hence, a name for that prosecutor. This could get a lot more scrutiny than the average trainer being caught.

philcski · #14 04-05-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Obviously his watch was still on pacific time.

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Originally Posted by Linny

I wonder if his bringing a syring to the D-barn could have prevented IWR from even running. He got caught over the Bay Shore colt but did he have one there for IWR too?
Could the stewards just said that as "the trainer of IWR has an illegal substance and delivery method" we must scratch all his horses.

Should have been.

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

For attempting to break the rules he should get a long suspension. While people's call for blood for fairly innocuous substances in minute levels found in post race tests are often misguided, intentionally attempting to break the rules should be dealt with harshly. Regardless of how useless the substance in question is. And Air Power is pretty useless in the grand scheme. The guy is a bad guy and he deserves whatever he gets. And his owners better realize that they are part of the problem too. This guy should get a 5 year suspension. Or worse.

Didn't we basically foreshadow this yesterday, without even knowing it? What if this piece of sh1t had tried this in the Kentucky Derby instead of the Bay Shore? Imagine the backlash from the media would have been. He's already publically shamed the game with his ridiculous comments to the LA Times.

At least I am 99% sure I didn't get beat in the last at Keeneland yesterday by a cheat. By the way, my friend was in the winner's circle for that race, she used to work for Seitz. LOL

Scurlogue Champ · #15 04-06-2009, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny

I wonder if his bringing a syring to the D-barn could have prevented IWR from even running. He got caught over the Bay Shore colt but did he have one there for IWR too?
Could the stewards just said that as "the trainer of IWR has an illegal substance and delivery method" we must scratch all his horses.

Now that would effect handle too much, why would they do that?

#16 04-05-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Put aside the "let us hear all of the facts before jumping to conclusions" argument, which I think is fair enough.

Isn't anyone going to defend Mullins? Almost all of the other shady things have been defended here.

New York stewards scratched Gato Go Win from the Bay Shore Stakes (G2) on Saturday at Aqueduct after security personnel said they saw trainer Jeff Mullins attempting to administer a substance to the colt before the race.

If the first post is accurate,
you got a guy thumbing his nose
in such a blatant manner before some big races.

It really is shocking anyone could be that
stupid or that desperate.

So you maybe you are right, given the totally outrageous/
oblivious behavior.

dagolfer33 · #17 04-05-2009, 09:11 PM

Maybe Mullins had a little cold/cough and the air power is the only thing that works for him. He ha s it carefully dosed in the syringe. Thats a plausable/believable defence, right?

AeWingnut · #18 04-05-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Put aside the "let us hear all of the facts before jumping to conclusions" argument, which I think is fair enough.

Isn't anyone going to defend Mullins? Almost all of the other shady things have been defended here.

I don't remember anything shady being defended. either it wasn't shady or it wasn't defended.

as for Facts.. Mullins has nothing but contempt for the betting public. (and the rules) if these allegations are true, I think he deserves a severe judgement at least as bad as Patrick Biancone.

Cannon Shell · #19 04-05-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Air power is not allowed?

Nothing is allowed in the detention barn. That is the whole purpose of the damn thing. Mullins needs to be made an example out of. He blatantly broke the rules, caught red handed. Regardless of what he was giving the horse, he needs to be dealt with severely. If the sport and NY in particular is serious about policing the sport, Mullins and the frequent violators crew needs to be slammed. This isnt the 3rd race at Turf Paradise. This is the trainer of possibly the Derby favorite blatantly violating the rules before that favorite runs in his final prep. What are the odds that IWR was going to also be illegally treated? 1-9? The Air Power is immaterial.