4/4 (AQU): Wood (G1); Carter (G1); Bay Shore (G3); Excelsior (G3)

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

Andy.. Question for you... The Wood went off before the Illinois derby completed. Is there a reason they couldn't wait 1 minute to start the Wood ?

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I believe the Illinois Derby was scheduled for 4:15. I guess they started late.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I believe the Illinois Derby was scheduled for 4:15. I guess they started late.

They did, am I too naive to think that someone could monitor that at AQU and since the delay wasn't all that long, wait so the fans could enjoy both races. Racing continues to treat its fans like it is 1961 and they are the only game in town for our gambling dollar.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

They did, am I too naive to think that someone could monitor that at AQU and since the delay wasn't all that long, wait so the fans could enjoy both races. Racing continues to treat its fans like it is 1961 and they are the only game in town for our gambling dollar.

Has it occurred to you that we moved our post originally to allow people to see both races?

Sorry, but I don't think we behave as you suggest. I am sory if Hawthorne did not go off at their scheduled post time but I'm not sure how that can be blamed on us.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Has it occurred to you that we moved our post originally to allow people to see both races?

Sorry, but I don't think we behave as you suggest. I am sory if Hawthorne did not go off at their scheduled post time but I'm not sure how that can be blamed on us.

Of course it is not your problem but your response really reiterates my point. The fans are an afterthought in racing. AQU could have waited 1 stinking minute but since it wasn't thier problem they didn't.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jms62

Of course it is not your problem but your response really reiterates my point. The fans are an afterthought in racing. AQU could have waited 1 stinking minute but since it wasn't thier problem they didn't.

You're preposterous.. Honestly, this is a new level of ridiculous. What are the tracks supposed to do? Here was the stakes schedule yesterday between 5-6pm.

5:05 (KEE) Ashland (Gr. I)
5:14 (HAW) IL Derby
5:19 (AQU) Wood Memorial (Gr. I)
5:24 (GP) Skip Away
5:40 (SA) Santa Anita Derby (Gr. I)
5:51 (AQU) Carter H. (Gr. I)
5:57 (OP) Apple Blossom (Gr. I)

If someone fell off schedule, the other tracks are supposed to be monitoring it and change all of the starts? And then that overlaps some other race elsewhere... Hawthorne had ONE stake to get off yesterday and they were late. But that's NYRA or "Racing's" fault because they look for ways to mistreat the players and fans.

Things happen too when you're dealing with animals. Shoe adjustments, paddock incidents, etc. You also realize that there are OTB and the racing networks broadcasts that are working off the SCHEDULED start times? IN FACT, the job done balancing the action has been quite remarkable the last several weeks as big race after big race went off in succession.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You're preposterous.. Honestly, this is a new level of ridiculous. What are the tracks supposed to do? Here was the stakes schedule yesterday between 5-6pm.

5:05 (KEE) Ashland (Gr. I)
5:14 (HAW) IL Derby
5:19 (AQU) Wood Memorial (Gr. I)
5:24 (GP) Skip Away
5:40 (SA) Santa Anita Derby (Gr. I)
5:51 (AQU) Carter H. (Gr. I)
5:57 (OP) Apple Blossom (Gr. I)

If someone fell off schedule, the other tracks are supposed to be monitoring it and change all of the starts? And then that overlaps some other race elsewhere... Hawthorne had ONE stake to get off yesterday and they were late. But that's NYRA or "Racing's" fault because they look for ways to mistreat the players and fans.

Things happen too when you're dealing with animals. Shoe adjustments, paddock incidents, etc. You also realize that there are OTB and the racing networks broadcasts that are working off the SCHEDULED start times? IN FACT, the job done balancing the action has been quite remarkable the last several weeks as big race after big race went off in succession.

Steve... I am talking about Derby preps here not all races. You are absolultey 100% correct. I am beyond preposterous to think that tracks could monitor other MAJOR derby preps and delay thier post time by an additional 1 minute. What was I thinking?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by jms62

Steve... I am talking about Derby preps here not all races. You are absolultey 100% correct. I am beyond preposterous to think that tracks could monitor other MAJOR derby preps and delay thier post time by an additional 1 minute. What was I thinking?

I don't get it. I watched the start of the IL Derby till they were on the backstretch, caught the start of the Wood and then watched the Illinois end and then back to the Wood. And then watched the replays. How does it diminish the experience? 15 seconds after each race is over you can watch the thing 10,000 times on computer or race replay or right on the feed from the track. What's the difference? I was interested in races from Gulfstream and elsewhere that were going at the same time... I watched them later. You have to see it live or somehow the result is going to be different? Hawthorne got off late. It happens. Had there been a National tie-in broadcast, they could have balanced the starts differently. Otherwise, EVERYONE STICKS TO THEIR SCHEDULE to make it most easy to accomodate widely at OTB's and on broadcasting entities.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You're preposterous.. Honestly, this is a new level of ridiculous. What are the tracks supposed to do? Here was the stakes schedule yesterday between 5-6pm.

5:05 (KEE) Ashland (Gr. I)
5:14 (HAW) IL Derby
5:19 (AQU) Wood Memorial (Gr. I)
5:24 (GP) Skip Away
5:40 (SA) Santa Anita Derby (Gr. I)
5:51 (AQU) Carter H. (Gr. I)
5:57 (OP) Apple Blossom (Gr. I)

If someone fell off schedule, the other tracks are supposed to be monitoring it and change all of the starts? And then that overlaps some other race elsewhere... Hawthorne had ONE stake to get off yesterday and they were late. But that's NYRA or "Racing's" fault because they look for ways to mistreat the players and fans.

Things happen too when you're dealing with animals. Shoe adjustments, paddock incidents, etc. You also realize that there are OTB and the racing networks broadcasts that are working off the SCHEDULED start times? IN FACT, the job done balancing the action has been quite remarkable the last several weeks as big race after big race went off in succession.

Valid points, but I found it difficult to watch each race yesterday as a bettor. The Wood was only viewable live on the internet, and the Illinois Derby and Wood were on top of each other.

I am admittedly ignorant when it comes to broadcast rights and signal ownership, but it seems to me that someone could have oragnized a national telecast that showded all three Derby preps and maybe even the Ashland LIVE with 10 minutes or so in between.

[PeteMugg]

Originally Posted by justindew

Valid points, but I found it difficult to watch each race yesterday as a bettor. The Wood was only viewable live on the internet, and the Illinois Derby and Wood were on top of each other.

I am admittedly ignorant when it comes to broadcast rights and signal ownership, but it seems to me that someone could have oragnized a national telecast that showded all three Derby preps and maybe even the Ashland LIVE with 10 minutes or so in between.

What??? Show more racing and reduce all that babble?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Things happen too when you're dealing with animals. Shoe adjustments, paddock incidents, etc. You also realize that there are OTB and the racing networks broadcasts that are working off the SCHEDULED start times? IN FACT, the job done balancing the action has been quite remarkable the last several weeks as big race after big race went off in succession.

This should really be enough said.

Given the incredible slate of races that were scheduled to go off within minutes of each other, it was amazing that it basically went like clockwork. With the exception of what, little more than a 45 second overlap of two races?

And nobody to blame but Hawthorne, because from the feed I was watching, I didn't gather that anything important was happening in those extra 2.5 minutes -- nothing more than random milling around and additional late wagering.

Just hard for me to get too worked up over this. The entire schedule seemed overwhelming in advance, and it nearly went perfectly.

[Danzig]

aqu made an effort to accomodate fans. your ire might be better directed towards hawthorne, who presumably did not.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

Of course it is not your problem but your response really reiterates my point. The fans are an afterthought in racing. AQU could have waited 1 stinking minute but since it wasn't thier problem they didn't.

I understand, you want a fight, or why else would you put words in my mouth like " it's not our problem, " which is something that I distinctly did not say. We, at NYRA, went to great lengths to accomodate our fans. We were producing a live one hour broadcast which included two Grade 1 Stakes. We also moved our Wood post a number of minutes so that there would not be an overlap with the Illinois Derby. However, in doing so, we left ourselves very little room to show the Carter should there be any delay in either the Wood being run, being made official, or the Carter being run. Had the Illinois Derby gone off at the scheduled post time, there would not have been a problem, but if we had waited for their " new " post time we might well have run into one. We could have scheduled things differently, and run the Wood earlier, I suppose, if we knew the Illinois Derby was going to break at 5:18, but that was not the scheduled time we were working with.

Instead of pointing fingers, and laying blame, maybe you need to think this entire thing through again.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I understand, you want a fight, or why else would you put words in my mouth like " it's not our problem, " which is something that I distinctly did not say. We, at NYRA, went to great lengths to accomodate our fans. We were producing a live one hour broadcast which included two Grade 1 Stakes. We also moved our Wood post a number of minutes so that there would not be an overlap with the Illinois Derby. However, in doing so, we left ourselves very little room to show the Carter should there be any delay in either the Wood being run, being made official, or the Carter being run. Had the Illinois Derby gone off at the scheduled post time, there would not have been a problem, but if we had waited for their " new " post time we might well have run into one. We could have scheduled things differently, and run the Wood earlier, I suppose, if we knew the Illinois Derby was going to break at 5:18, but that was not the scheduled time we were working with.

Instead of pointing fingers, and laying blame, maybe you need to think this entire thing through again.

Not looking for a fight. As a customer I had an issue, raised it and the responses I got kind of disappointed me...

PS.. If I wanted a fight, I am in the wrong bar and picking it with the wrong people....

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I understand, you want a fight, or why else would you put words in my mouth like " it's not our problem, " which is something that I distinctly did not say. We, at NYRA, went to great lengths to accomodate our fans. We were producing a live one hour broadcast which included two Grade 1 Stakes. We also moved our Wood post a number of minutes so that there would not be an overlap with the Illinois Derby. However, in doing so, we left ourselves very little room to show the Carter should there be any delay in either the Wood being run, being made official, or the Carter being run. Had the Illinois Derby gone off at the scheduled post time, there would not have been a problem, but if we had waited for their " new " post time we might well have run into one. We could have scheduled things differently, and run the Wood earlier, I suppose, if we knew the Illinois Derby was going to break at 5:18, but that was not the scheduled time we were working with.

Instead of pointing fingers, and laying blame, maybe you need to think this entire thing through again.

I dont get this argument at all, with free replays for all.

I think its funny that the Illinois Derby is held in such high standard that the Wood should delay their post, how about Hawthorne once they were late they might have delayed a few minutes since they were not on time to begin with?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont get this argument at all, with free replays for all.

I think its funny that the Illinois Derby is held in such high standard that the Wood should delay their post, how about Hawthorne once they were late they might have delayed a few minutes since they were not on time to begin with?

I happen to agree, basically, with the orginal poster's contention that these races should not be run with any overlap. However, a serious attempt was made to do this yesterday, and the Illinois Derby going off four full minutes after their scheduled post caused yesterday's situation. Being that the Wood had already been moved to accomodate things, I just don't know what more we could have done, especially in light of our live broadcast encompassing two races. I wish the Illinois Derby had gone off in time for both races to have been seen live by any single viewer.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I dont get this argument at all, with free replays for all.

I think its funny that the Illinois Derby is held in such high standard that the Wood should delay their post, how about Hawthorne once they were late they might have delayed a few minutes since they were not on time to begin with?

True. If we're in the twentieth century.