Workout analysis

[joeydb]

That makes sense. I guess I'm looking for something numerical to use for first time starters or maidens with short records. It's very frustrating to not be able to analyze the chances of firsters in a leg of the pick 6. I'm not good with bloodlines and in any case I couldn't get a good "odds" number from that.

[northeastbound123]

you may find more value in the dates of the works and spacing, can sometimes see a trainers intent as much as 42 days back

[TheSpyder]

Don't look at workouts for numbers, unless there's an unusually fast one. Some times the workout jock is 200 lbs., sometimes they are going 6 wide, sometimes they are working to a time. You're wasting you time looking at numbers.

[NTamm1215]

Workout viewing and publishing reports is a cottage industry in Southern California as a number of guys have made (part of) their living doing it. I know a lot of folks out there take it very seriously and a good bit of information is put into each report.

That being said, I'm glad that there are a lot of reports getting published about the West Coast Derby hopefuls at that just draws more attention towards each one.

NT

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by joeydb

That makes sense. I guess I'm looking for something numerical to use for first time starters or maidens with short records. It's very frustrating to not be able to analyze the chances of firsters in a leg of the pick 6. I'm not good with bloodlines and in any case I couldn't get a good "odds" number from that.

Regarding maidens, I look for good works from the gate followed by a strong, but not necessarily a bullet breeze, afterwards. When you're speaking two year olds, I do think seeing the horse in the paddock beforehand is important...or at least works for me.

[cakes44]

If you are basing any bets on workout times of maidens, you will NEVER catch an Asmussen first-timer, and he is lethal first time out, especially on dirt. You also won't get anything out of Baffert, because you'd think every single one of his first-timers is going to debut like Roman Ruler. It goes both ways.

I don't bet too many races with a bunch of firsters because it's such a guessing game, and a game of who you know as much as what you know, but I definitely look at spacing and consistency more than any times of workouts.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Regarding maidens, I look for good works from the gate followed by a strong, but not necessarily a bullet breeze, afterwards. When you're speaking two year olds, I do think seeing the horse in the paddock beforehand is important...or at least works for me.

What times would be considered strong on workouts?

I know some trainers work slow anyways(Assmusen),but not sure about times for strong workouts

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

What times would be considered strong on workouts?

I know some trainers work slow anyways(Assmusen),but not sure about times for strong workouts

Strong, probably wasn't the right word, but I do personally like to know they can work from the gate fairly quickly. I look for patterns within the horses works and what is typical of the trainer.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by gamblin4ever

What times would be considered strong on workouts?

I know some trainers work slow anyways(Assmusen),but not sure about times for strong workouts

Just go to DRF.com, then Entries, then workouts. Pick a few good tracks and go from there to see the range of times each day

[gamblin4ever]

thanks sightseek and GBBob

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

note westcoast tracks have much faster works..