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Old 03-26-2009, 09:32 PM
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Value Plus is another one who I believe will do well this year. Roman Ruler has about 1000 2 yo's including the great Hostillian so he will have winners. I have heard a lot of good things about Wildcat Heir. Saw some nice Taste of paradise yearlings though most had zero female families. The vast majority of the freshman sires of 09 aren't really cut out to be formidable 2 year old sires. Bwana Charlie may get some fast, early horses though i cant remember seeing any of his foals. I am not crazy about Afleet Alex though he got a nice book of mares first year. If he makes it Gainesway deserves a lot of credit. I saw a lot more bad Eurosilvers than good ones. Grand reward is another with a million 2 yo's and I have seen some nice ones though they usually look they will need more than 4 1/2 f. Darley pushed Consolidator hard though his are another that may need ground. Unforgettable Max is a very well made horse and is a lot cheaper than his brother. Maker has a bunch of Kittens Joy babies at CDT that they have been drilling to get ready for keeneland though i cant see them being very effective sprinting or early. Powerscourt has had some really nice looking yearlings but look like turf and for a Coolmore stallion, there weren't that many of them available in sales. I know very few people thought Offlee Wild was much of a racehorse including me but I think he is a sleeper though i didn't spend of my or clients money backing that opinion. I didn't see a Forest Danger that I thought would make more than 2 starts without the wheels coming off.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:12 PM
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Value Plus is another one who I believe will do well this year. Roman Ruler has about 1000 2 yo's including the great Hostillian so he will have winners. I have heard a lot of good things about Wildcat Heir. Saw some nice Taste of paradise yearlings though most had zero female families. The vast majority of the freshman sires of 09 aren't really cut out to be formidable 2 year old sires. Bwana Charlie may get some fast, early horses though i cant remember seeing any of his foals. I am not crazy about Afleet Alex though he got a nice book of mares first year. If he makes it Gainesway deserves a lot of credit. I saw a lot more bad Eurosilvers than good ones. Grand reward is another with a million 2 yo's and I have seen some nice ones though they usually look they will need more than 4 1/2 f. Darley pushed Consolidator hard though his are another that may need ground. Unforgettable Max is a very well made horse and is a lot cheaper than his brother. Maker has a bunch of Kittens Joy babies at CDT that they have been drilling to get ready for keeneland though i cant see them being very effective sprinting or early. Powerscourt has had some really nice looking yearlings but look like turf and for a Coolmore stallion, there weren't that many of them available in sales. I know very few people thought Offlee Wild was much of a racehorse including me but I think he is a sleeper though i didn't spend of my or clients money backing that opinion. I didn't see a Forest Danger that I thought would make more than 2 starts without the wheels coming off.
He could run donkeys and get them to win

I gotta think Unforgettable Max ends up forgettable. I like him a lot but just won't get the mares when you have such an imposing (not in stature, but profile) full brother- kind of like Aristocrat will be next year.

I'm surprised you like Value Plus. Screams soundness issues to me. Not the type of horse you usually like.
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Old 03-26-2009, 10:31 PM
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In Value Plus's 12 lifetime starts away from Gulfstream Park ... his career best Beyer was a 96 which came when 5th beaten 7 3/4 lengths at 55/1 behind Purge in the Cigar Mile.

He did run four good races at GP though - including a 2nd place finish in the slowest Florida Derby ever.

I'm skeptical about him ... but he was a 7 figure Jan yearling ... and had speed and all that.

Consolidator's won't need added ground. They look like pure smoke. Two of them turned in joint sales fastest 9.60 1/8ths at OBS Feb. Another joint fastest 20.40 quarter at OBS March. The one that sold for 300K at Barretts with the 2nd fastest quarter of the sale was out of a Deputy Commander mare that couldn't crack a 25 Beyer and couldn't get within 10 lengths of the lead after a quarter in any races. He's this years Anti-Saarland. I can't imagine him doing anything impressive cause these mares he's getting seem to be pure garbage ... but for betting purposes I like him in the early season races.
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Old 03-26-2009, 11:07 PM
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He could run donkeys and get them to win

I gotta think Unforgettable Max ends up forgettable. I like him a lot but just won't get the mares when you have such an imposing (not in stature, but profile) full brother- kind of like Aristocrat will be next year.

I'm surprised you like Value Plus. Screams soundness issues to me. Not the type of horse you usually like.
I can't remember Maker ever doing well with early 2 yo's though i dont think anyone can get Kittens Joy babies to win going 4 1/2

Value Plus is really put together well and his babies look fast. They may wind up with short careers like most UBS and sons but I think he will have a lot of winners. Don't be surprised if Unforgettable Max has a lot of winners either. Winning early isn't exactly the forte of most of the upper crust mares and cheap speed types can often produce early winners who eventually turn out to be nothing special.
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I've never seen him in the flesh, but Consolidator looked really awesome in the Darley DVD.
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I've never seen him in the flesh, but Consolidator looked really awesome in the Darley DVD.
I'm not usually critical of trainers but I've always had the opinion that Lukas butchered that one. He had some good races in him, watch the San Felipe.
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I am not crazy about Afleet Alex though he got a nice book of mares first year. If he makes it Gainesway deserves a lot of credit.
for the uneducated (me) , what don't you like about AA?
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for the uneducated (me) , what don't you like about AA?
By Northern Afleet out of a Hawkster mare
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What about Eddington? Even though I don't really remember if he did anything memorable as a 2yo, I do remmber that Unbridled was a pretty good as 2yo, and the dam-side is loaded with top juvenile performers (Chief's Crown, Sir Ivor, etc.).
On paper I thought Eddington looked like a good stallion prospect. He was versatile (a graded stakes winner on dirt and turf I believe), Unbridled is a good sire of sires, and Eddington always looked to me like he had a good deal of (not always realized) ability.
Does his first crop of runners look like anything?
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What about Eddington? Even though I don't really remember if he did anything memorable as a 2yo, I do remmber that Unbridled was a pretty good as 2yo, and the dam-side is loaded with top juvenile performers (Chief's Crown, Sir Ivor, etc.).
On paper I thought Eddington looked like a good stallion prospect. He was versatile (a graded stakes winner on dirt and turf I believe), Unbridled is a good sire of sires, and Eddington always looked to me like he had a good deal of (not always realized) ability.
Does his first crop of runners look like anything?
one does
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one does
Which one?
Is it Silenceofthewind or one who you have?
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Which one?
Is it Silenceofthewind or one who you have?
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Value Plus is another one who I believe will do well this year. Roman Ruler has about 1000 2 yo's including the great Hostillian so he will have winners. I have heard a lot of good things about Wildcat Heir. Saw some nice Taste of paradise yearlings though most had zero female families. The vast majority of the freshman sires of 09 aren't really cut out to be formidable 2 year old sires. Bwana Charlie may get some fast, early horses though i cant remember seeing any of his foals. I am not crazy about Afleet Alex though he got a nice book of mares first year. If he makes it Gainesway deserves a lot of credit. I saw a lot more bad Eurosilvers than good ones. Grand reward is another with a million 2 yo's and I have seen some nice ones though they usually look they will need more than 4 1/2 f. Darley pushed Consolidator hard though his are another that may need ground. Unforgettable Max is a very well made horse and is a lot cheaper than his brother. Maker has a bunch of Kittens Joy babies at CDT that they have been drilling to get ready for keeneland though i cant see them being very effective sprinting or early. Powerscourt has had some really nice looking yearlings but look like turf and for a Coolmore stallion, there weren't that many of them available in sales. I know very few people thought Offlee Wild was much of a racehorse including me but I think he is a sleeper though i didn't spend of my or clients money backing that opinion. I didn't see a Forest Danger that I thought would make more than 2 starts without the wheels coming off.

Guess you should have spent that money, if Heavenville wins tomorrow he is the top freshman stallion.

32 horses entered, 17 won this year so far - and he still is only going to stand for $7,500.
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Guess you should have spent that money, if Heavenville wins tomorrow he is the top freshman stallion.

32 horses entered, 17 won this year so far - and he still is only going to stand for $7,500.
Already booked to 120 mares for 2010 also. Had a chance to send 3 mares to him last year and passed. Nice work by me.
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The overwhelming majority of Offlee Wild's money comes from a single horse.

If you look beyond the BC Juv Fillies winner She Be Juiced ... his 2nd highest earning offspring won some silly LA bred race at Evangeline and has been getting trounced everywhere in the Bayou lately.

His 3rd highest earning offspring is a 0-for-10 maiden named Dant who was just beaten at Woodbine in a 20K maiden claimer.
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The overwhelming majority of Offlee Wild's money comes from a single horse.

If you look beyond the BC Juv Fillies winner She Be Juiced ... his 2nd highest earning offspring won some silly LA bred race at Evangeline and has been getting trounced everywhere in the Bayou lately.

His 3rd highest earning offspring is a 0-for-10 maiden named Dant who was just beaten at Woodbine in a 20K maiden claimer.
More like "She be Hyperbaric'd"
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She Be Something.

Catalano sure has some magic to him.
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She Be Something.

Catalano sure has some magic to him.
I would be real interested to know his stats away from Illinois?

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