Point Determined

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

He's not bred to get grass...just isn't..

PD>PG>Thunder Gulch>Gulch>Mr.P....I don't remember Mr. P on the track, and I don't recall any of this line ever even running on the weeds.

[Danzig]

he finished last?! bet they don't try that again!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

PD>PG>Thunder Gulch>Gulch>Mr.P....I don't remember Mr. P on the track, and I don't recall any of this line ever even running on the weeds.

there are a few thunder gulchs who have run on turf, but it doesn't seem to be a pedigree that would scream 'turf' at you! not that that really matters--lots of supposed turf horses can't stand the stuff.

[cakes44]

Bob Baffert isn't exactly Frankel or Drysdale when it comes to training turf horses these days either.

[Pedigree Ann]

Gulch and Thunder Gulch have sired G1 winners on turf, however they needed turf-bred mares to do it. Point Given has a good turf runner in his first crop, Go Between, but that one is out of an Irish-bred (ie turf) mare by Caerleon. Point Determined's female side is all dirt.