Pompa-Reynolds Relationship Ends

Handicappy · #1 03-17-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Brain food kicked in.

I had to laugh at this. Very funny. I just think it makes sense to spread your horses around and it does sound like they haven't been a successful pair in awhile. Good Luck to both.

blackthroatedwind · #2 03-17-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy

I had to laugh at this. Very funny. I just think it makes sense to spread your horses around and it does sound like they haven't been a successful pair in awhile. Good Luck to both.

It took me a while, but now I get it......you were trying to one-up SCUDS in the dopey post department.

Good job.

#3 03-17-2009, 07:12 PM

This thread is on the verge of having the most post deletions on site.

SCUDSBROTHER · #4 03-17-2009, 08:08 PM

Well, the guy is what? 1 for 35 this year? His lone win came in a grade 3 (by a nose) with a horse who was winning grade 2, and grade 1 races last year. She got a Beyer of 91. So, Pampa lets him have that 10k. He could of made the change earlier, and he wouldn't of got that 10k. Pampa gave him 10% of whatever they sold 75% interest in Big Brown for. I do think it was a no brainer to make the change, and not just because of this slow year. The overall body of work has not been anywhere near what other trainers could of done in this time they've been together. Say anything you want about how crazy I am etc., but in the end, this guy wasn't getting results that other people could of gotten with the same horses. Maybe they shouldn't have been getting their results. Maybe they're doing something wrong, and he isn't. I don't know, but moving his horses was a no-brainer. It's been a no-brainer for a long time. He should think the guy for sticking with him longer than he probably should have. An objective look at it will show the results weren't even close to being good enough.

blackthroatedwind · #5 03-17-2009, 08:30 PM

So, in other words, if a trainer's barn gets cold, his owners should just move the horses to another trainer. I get it.

That may, or may not, be what happened here. But hey, it's the internet, keep guessing away.

I like both parties involved. I wish them both only the best. Pat's a good trainer. I hope things work out for him.

SCUDSBROTHER · #6 03-17-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, in other words, if a trainer's barn gets cold, his owners should just move the horses to another trainer. I get it.

That may, or may not, be what happened here. But hey, it's the internet, keep guessing away.

I like both parties involved. I wish them both only the best. Pat's a good trainer. I hope things work out for him.

You guys are too close to it to be objective. If it was just this year, then I could see hanging in there. The results haven't been good enough. You haven't given any reason to stick with him(other than he's a nice guy.) You guys have got shows, and don't want to upset anyone for down the road. Maybe he'll do better with claimers. Andy,you're is so worried about a 1 for 35 trainer, huh. You can be his 1st new client. That's a better way to support him than to say he had acceptable results(when he just didn't.)

blackthroatedwind · #7 03-17-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You guys are too close to it to be objective. If it was just this year, then I could see hanging in there. The results haven't been good enough. You haven't given any reason to stick with him(other than he's a nice guy.) You guys have got shows, and don't want to upset anyone for down the road. Maybe he'll do better with claimers. Andy,you're is so worried about a 1 for 35 trainer, huh. You can be his 1st new client. That's a better way to support him than to say he had acceptable results(when he just didn't.)

Don't try to bolster your argument by accusing me of things that aren't true. My show has zero to do with my opinion. I am friendly with both Paul Pompa and Pat Reynolds. I'm not even discussing what might have actually happened here, but I do know that what you are saying is BS, as both men had a lot of success together up until this year at Gulfstream.

Don't put words in my mouth. It's tiresome, expected, but tiresome. You say I'm " so worried about " Pat Reynolds. Please, find the post of mine here that backs up that statement. Otherwise, respond to what I post, not what you imagine I posted.

ELA · #8 03-17-2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

You guys are too close to it to be objective. If it was just this year, then I could see hanging in there. The results haven't been good enough. You haven't given any reason to stick with him(other than he's a nice guy.) You guys have got shows, and don't want to upset anyone for down the road. Maybe he'll do better with claimers. Andy,you're is so worried about a 1 for 35 trainer, huh. You can be his 1st new client. That's a better way to support him than to say he had acceptable results(when he just didn't.)

And you are too far from it. It's very easy to run someone else's business and make decisions from afar -- and I am not saying it was a bad decision at all. It's also very easy to say other trainers would have done produced more, better results, etc. Great theory there and two people can argue about that in perpetuity.

Like Andy said, I don't think anyone here knows exactly what went on and why the split occured. Why do people feel the need to guess, throw darts at reasons, etc.? This is not the first time a big owner has split up with Pat. Pat also has never run a vast public stable. While I don't think he's ever been private (maybe he has), he's often been in the game of having a lot of horses for one owner, maybe two. He's just that kind of guy, and if you know him, his history, etc. you would understand that. He's a character and I say that in a positive way. The racetrack is full of them.

I am sure when one of the horses steps up and wins, gets a first grade, throws up a new lifetime best, or something -- then it will be time to say "Told you so"

Eric