4 possible sweet 16 acc/big east matchups

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by gales0678

remember this is a team that lost by over 30 to ND , not 5 not 10 not , 30 sometihng points , teams with heart don't lose like that

You do realize Wake lost by 27 to Miami right?

[kenny p]

Nova is 35/1. Not bad.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kenny p

Nova is 35/1. Not bad.

Did Nova lose anybody off the Sweet 16 team last year?

[gales0678]

the point of the thread joey was that we are to believe that wake is the #16 team in the country ?

if you were pitino who would you rather see in the sweet 16 of all the 4's ?


i posted some lines of the #1 vs #4 's - why don't tell me where my lines are wrong and then if they all get there we can check it out

Wake is a favorite over Kansas and a pickem against MSU in the elite 8

"zaga is a dog against cuse or OU in a regional final

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the point of the thread joey was that we are to believe that wake is the #16 team in the country ?

if you were pitino who would you rather see in the sweet 16 of all the 4's ?


i posted some lines of the #1 vs #4 's - why don't tell me where my lines are wrong and then if they all get there we can check it out

Wake is a favorite over Kansas and a pickem against MSU in the elite 8

"zaga is a dog against cuse or OU in a regional final

Sagarin predictor which is usually not far from the lines says Gonzaga and Louisville would be a pickem on a neutral court. I'm sure that wouldn't be the case with the actual line but it is quite interesting nonetheless.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Sagarin predictor which is usually not far from the lines says Gonzaga and Louisville would be a pickem on a neutral court. I'm sure that wouldn't be the case with the actual line but it is quite interesting nonetheless.

go ahead and take a crack , i posted 4 lines , just interested in what you guys think the sweet 16 lines will be 1's vs 4's that's all

[philcski]

Originally Posted by gales0678

go ahead and take a crack , i posted 4 lines , just interested in what you guys think the sweet 16 lines will be 1's vs 4's that's all

if the seeds hold...
Louisville -6 Wake
Pittsburgh -4 Xavier
Connecticut -8 Washington
UNC -7 Gonzaga

[gales0678]

Well we agree on 1 at least!

[slotdirt]

I think Wake is as likely to lose in the first round as they are to somehow make the Elite Eight. That team started out great, but definitely came back to earth a bit coming down the stretch.

Has anybody read the Giant Killers blog on ESPN at all? I wasn't high on them earlier, but after reading some stats, I'd be shocked if KU makes it past the first weekend.

Opining on other early matchups:

Oklahoma smells like a team that loses early. They rely a ton on FT differential, and with Griffin's recent travails, I'm not certain they're as good as the other #2 seeds.

Missouri is sneaky good, and if anything is their downfall, it's tourney inexperience. Ditto West Virginia but with the tourney experience - they're just flat out pretty darn good. If I'm KU, I'm desperately hoping WVU somehow gets knocked off by Dayton lest I not make it to Indianapolis.

The 7-10 games are all really crappy power conference teams playing other really crappy power conference teams. I wish at least a couple of those teams were something other than Cal or Michigan.

Illinois is going down.

Villanova turns the ball over way too often to have anything longer than a Sweet 16 run.

Temple is making the Sweet 16.

Anyway, I could prognosticate forever and probably be wrong about 3/4 of the stuff I just wrote. This is the best time of the year, guys.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by philcski

if the seeds hold...
Louisville -6 Wake
Pittsburgh -4 Xavier
Connecticut -8 Washington
UNC -7 Gonzaga

unc you are not adding in the vegas public $ 3 points - i think you are too low



Pitt- actually suprised by your choice this as i could never see vegas letting Pitt only give 4 to a Mid Major and 'vill give six to the runner up in the acc

but at least you give an opinion on here thx

[philcski]

Originally Posted by gales0678

unc you are not adding in the vegas public $ 3 points - i think you are too low



Pitt- actually suprised by your choice this as i could never see vegas letting Pitt only give 4 to a Mid Major and 'vill give six to the runner up in the acc

but at least you give an opinion on here thx

Pitt's ASM is 17.5, Xavier's 12.5. Factoring in the neutral court and Pitt generally being a not-well-liked wagering team PLUS their poor history in the sweet 16 I think any more than -4 and the books would get loaded up by the sharps on the dog.

I've spent several tournaments in Vegas and one of the things I've noticed is the Sweet 16 lines are ALWAYS a lot tighter than you would expect. The dumb money has gone home after the 2nd round and the favorites end up being a bucket or two less than you would expect.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

go ahead and take a crack , i posted 4 lines , just interested in what you guys think the sweet 16 lines will be 1's vs 4's that's all

The pure predictor comes up with pretty interesting lines:

North Carolina (-2.5) Gonzaga (I guess -6)
Louisville (-3.5) Wake Forest (I guess -4)
Connecticut (-3.5) Washington (I guess -5)
Pittsburgh (-6) Xavier (I guess -7)

[gales0678]

look at the $$$ on wake to win the region , i will say that 'zaga is the 2nd best 4 seed

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You do realize Wake lost by 27 to Miami right?

yes - but you know what i am glad they did , they are your age joey, what do you think the boys did down in miami the night before ??? 'ville doesn't have an excuse for south bend ain't no miami

i have to hope that they learned thier lesson and will let az , clev st and utah hit collins ave wed and thursday nite

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by gales0678

yes - but you know what i am glad they did , they are your age joey, what do you think the boys did down in miami the night before ??? 'ville doesn't have an excuse for south bend ain't no miami

i have to hope that they learned thier lesson and will let az , clev st and utah hit collins ave wed and thursday nite

So it's a good thing that Wake is a young, immature team?

I don't really care about the Sweet 16 lines right now, I just don't think Wake is as good as you're making them sound.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

yes - but you know what i am glad they did , they are your age joey, what do you think the boys did down in miami the night before ??? 'ville doesn't have an excuse for south bend ain't no miami

i have to hope that they learned thier lesson and will let az , clev st and utah hit collins ave wed and thursday nite

More likely they had too much fun last time to stay in this time.

[gales0678]

there are not many teams in the country that could beat duke and unc

will see they have hopefully 2 games in miami this weekend hopefully the coach will keep them in check , kids are kids and can find ways to sneek out at night as you know , maybe that 27 pt loss was a blessing!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

there are not many teams in the country that could beat duke and unc

And even fewer that could beat both and lose to Harvard.

[gales0678]

my opinion of them is that they are as good or better than any of the big 12 teams that are #3 seeds at this stage

you can't tell me that their win over caroina isn't better than anything that anyone did in the big 12 this year and their wins over carolina / duke at home looks better than louisville splitting with conn and pitt at home

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

my opinion of them is that they are as good or better than any of the big 12 teams that are #3 seeds at this stage

you can't tell me that their win over caroina isn't better than anything that anyone did in the big 12 this year and their wins over carolina / duke at home looks better than louisville splitting with conn and pitt at home

I think the Big 12 sucks and have been saying so all year. Even on my brackets that don't give bonus points for upsets I am taking North Dakota State over Kansas. I saw Cornell play Siena and they are truly pathetic so Missouri will get one win but they won't get past Marquette even down a man. I'd have had no problem with Wake getting a 3 but if they want to guarantee themselves a 3 while going 11-5 in conference they better start scheduling more than one game they can possibly lose in the entire non-conference schedule. I have no sympathy for power conference teams that schedule cupcakes in the nonconference and then get seeded poorly. Syracuse was rewarded this year with a 3 for finally scheduling some legitimate non-conference opponents (including Kansas in KC and at Memphis) after years of getting seeded low due to the cupcake non-conference schedule.