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Old 03-13-2009, 06:51 PM
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Will you scratch into anything? All the horses listed will not get into the derby. If you pick a horse that does not make it you don't get a refund. Wouldn't a scratched runner just be another horse that does not make the derby? I could be wrong but I doubt there will be scratch substitutions.
But in this case, the horse scratched before the pool was even open for betting. The bet should never have been accepted.

I think Linny is most likely correct--the bettor will probably get the favorite at the time the pool closes. But what happens if the favorite happens to be the other horse in the exacta? Go to next favorite?

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Old 03-13-2009, 06:58 PM
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But in this case, the horse scratched before the pool was even open for betting. The bet should never have been accepted.

I think Linny is most likely correct--the bettor will probably get the favorite at the time the pool closes. But what happens if the favorite happens to be the other horse in the exacta? Go to next favorite?

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I see your point, but my guess is refund and no substitution.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:13 PM
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Here's what happened:

Some simulcast outlet somewhere accepted exacta bets early, before the pools opened. Some of these bets were on Big Drama, and some were in $1 increments, which is not allowed because it is a $2 minimum bet.

CD is trying to determine where the bets came from and get them out of the system.
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Old 03-13-2009, 09:53 PM
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Also, it seems the "system" is allowing $1 base bets, which was not the intention. It was supposed to be a $2 minimum.
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Old 03-13-2009, 10:17 PM
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Also, it seems the "system" is allowing $1 base bets, which was not the intention. It was supposed to be a $2 minimum.
What's the expected handle on the future-exactas and what's your guess?

I'd like to see $250k.
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Old 03-13-2009, 10:26 PM
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What's the expected handle on the future-exactas and what's your guess?

I'd like to see $250k.
I think it would take a miracle to reach $250k, considering there's only been about $15k so far.

My guess is $100,000-$120,000.
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Old 03-14-2009, 07:21 AM
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I think it would take a miracle to reach $250k, considering there's only been about $15k so far.

My guess is $100,000-$120,000.
I agree. My guess is 120K.

Also, CD has taken the exacta odds off the live odds page.

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Old 03-15-2009, 11:05 PM
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I think it would take a miracle to reach $250k, considering there's only been about $15k so far.

My guess is $100,000-$120,000.

Why would anyone in their right mind trust a "system" like that? Accepting bets they can't honour??? Isn't that close to money-laundering?
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:39 AM
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I think it would take a miracle to reach $250k, considering there's only been about $15k so far.

My guess is $100,000-$120,000.
$104k, good call. I guess I was way too optimistic that it would be completely "new" money, figuring $350k in the win pool and maybe 75% of that in the exacta pool. I guess relatively speaking total handle between the two bets was decent at $380k which is up 20% from last year and in this economy that's like being up 100%!
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Old 03-15-2009, 01:55 PM
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TheGreek has put its fixed odds futures back up. Again, there are just 23 entries, corresponding exactly to the horses in KDFW Pool 2. Here are the odds at TheGreek both before and after yesterday's preps:

Bears Rocket 45.5 80.5
Beethoven 35.5 25.5
Big Drama 0 0
Chocolate Candy 40.5 32.5
Desert Party 14.15 16.15
Dunkirk 13 10.15
Flying Pegasus 35.5 60.5
Friesan Fire 18.15 10.15
General Quarters 30.5 60.5
Giant Oak 25.5 52.5
Hello Broadway 25.5 40.5
I Want Revenge 12 8.25
Imperial Council 25.5 25.5
Old Fashioned 8.45 10.15
Papa Clem 40.5 40.5
Patena 25.5 40.5
Pioneer of the Nile 13.25 14.15
Quality Road 18.15 14.15
Silver City 60.5 85.5
Take the Points 60.5 80.5
The Pamplemousse 20.5 14.25
Theregoesjojo 30.5 30.5
West Side Bernie 40.5 30.5
Any Other Horse 4.85 3.45

The top horses that didn't run yesterday (Dunkirk, I Want Revenge, Pamplemousse, Quality Road) have all had their odds come down substantially.

This odds set at TheGreek has a "takeout" of 15.7% compared to the 9.7% "takeout" of the earlier odds.

The Pamplemousse is 14-1 at TheGreek, but just 8-1 currently in the KDFW. Dunkirk is 10-1 at TheGreek but just 6-1 now in the KDFW. Conversely, I Want Revenge is 8.25-1 at TheGreek but is now 10-1 in the KDFW. All Others is 3.45-1 at TheGreek, but is 6-1 in the KDFW.

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Dabbled with a few exacta boxes....2-21 / 6-20 / 12-22 / 13-24 / 14-11/15
went with the 13 & 20 in the Derby futues and the 10 in the Oaks. What the heck!
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I tried to do an all others with all others exacta box and they wouldn't let me.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:58 PM
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I tried to do an all others with all others exacta box and they wouldn't let me.
From what I understand you can only use it once.
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Old 03-15-2009, 05:45 PM
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FINAL POOL 2 ODDS

1 Bears Rocket Reade Baker 50 99
2 Beethoven John Ward, Jr. 30 23
3 Big Drama David Fawkes SCR
4 Chocolate Candy Jerry Hollendorfer 30 29
5 Desert Party Saeed bin Suroor 30 17
6 Dunkirk Todd Pletcher 12 7
7 Flying Pegasus Ralph Nicks 20 65
8 Friesan Fire J. Jones 12 8
9 General Quarters Mark Miller 30 80
10 Giant Oak Chris Block 20 42
11 Hello Broadway Barclay Tagg 30 69
12 I Want Revenge Jeff Mullins 10 10
13 Imperial Council Claude McGaughey III 20 20
14 Old Fashioned J. Jones 8 8
15 Papa Clem Gary Stute 15 65
16 Patena Richard Dutrow Jr. 15 71
17 Pioneerof the Nile Bob Baffert 10 12
18 Quality Road James Jerkens 12 14
19 Silver City W. Calhoun 30 99
20 Take the Points Todd Pletcher 30 77
21 The Pamplemousse Julio Canani 10 9
22 Theregoesjojo Kenneth McPeek 15 19
23 West Side Bernie Kelly Breen 30 43
24 All Other Three Ye 8 9/2
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I really dont see a good bet. Alot of Underlays...but NO VALUE.
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Old 03-15-2009, 10:29 PM
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FINAL POOL 2 ODDS

1 Bears Rocket Reade Baker 50 99
2 Beethoven John Ward, Jr. 30 23
3 Big Drama David Fawkes SCR
4 Chocolate Candy Jerry Hollendorfer 30 29
5 Desert Party Saeed bin Suroor 30 17
6 Dunkirk Todd Pletcher 12 7
7 Flying Pegasus Ralph Nicks 20 65
8 Friesan Fire J. Jones 12 8
9 General Quarters Mark Miller 30 80
10 Giant Oak Chris Block 20 42
11 Hello Broadway Barclay Tagg 30 69
12 I Want Revenge Jeff Mullins 10 10
13 Imperial Council Claude McGaughey III 20 20
14 Old Fashioned J. Jones 8 8
15 Papa Clem Gary Stute 15 65
16 Patena Richard Dutrow Jr. 15 71
17 Pioneerof the Nile Bob Baffert 10 12
18 Quality Road James Jerkens 12 14
19 Silver City W. Calhoun 30 99
20 Take the Points Todd Pletcher 30 77
21 The Pamplemousse Julio Canani 10 9
22 Theregoesjojo Kenneth McPeek 15 19
23 West Side Bernie Kelly Breen 30 43
24 All Other Three Ye 8 9/2
Anyone have the actual will-pays? Big difference between 4.5-1 and 4.9-1. Between 7-1 and 7.9-1.

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